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Glenn Butler road tests and reviews the Ford Territory diesel.

Ford Territory diesel 4.5

With fuel prices ever rising, is Ford's new turbodiesel Territory the answer for active Australian families? Carbon taxes and natural disasters are in the news. Both will push petrol prices to record highs, analysts predict, putting yet more strain on family budgets.

So, the arrival of Ford's new Duratorq turbodiesel is well-timed, even if it is years overdue. Ford claims the Territory TDCi uses 25 per cent less fuel than the straight-six petrol, and can drive 900km from Melbourne to Sydney on one tank. If so, it will save Australian families about $540 over a 15,000km year.

VALUE

Prices are up/down for the Territory range starting at $39,990 for the TX RWD with 4.0-litre petrol engine. The TS costs $46,990 and the Titanium, which replaces the Ghia, is priced from $54,990.

The diesel engine adds $3250, all-wheel drive another $5000 and is only available with the Duratorq engine. Third-row seating is an option on all models. This raises the question: does the diesel make financial sense?  Keen to find out, Carsguide grabbed a Territory TS AWD and took a road trip.

DESIGN

Spotting the 2011 SZ Territory in the parking lot at Ford isn't hard. The new styling takes inspiration from Ford's Kinetic global design language. Slimmer headlights and a horizontal grille sit on a reprofiled nose which adds 27mm to Territory's overall length.

New alloys, a revised side-skirt and C-pillar give the side-profile a lift. At the rear, new taillights are similar to the next Focus, and the liftgate garnish has been removed. It is striking and fresh, though the front and rear themes aren't as cohesive as before.

Leaving Melbourne on the Hume Highway gives plenty of time to enjoy the new cabin where the Territory's evolution is most obvious. The new dashboard and centre console from the FG Falcon create a more mature ambience. The update includes Ford's first touchscreen which integrates stereo, air-con controls and Bluetooth controls.

The Territory has been a success story with 100,000 bought since 2004. And the elements that made the original Territory such a hit with families  seating for up to seven, plenty of luggage space, double-action tailgate  are all still here, some updated like the bin at the base of the centre stack which now has a tambour door styled after old-fashioned roll-top desks.

SAFETY

Safety also steps up; a knee airbag joins front, side and curtain airbags for a total of seven. Electronic stability control now includes an anti-rollover program.

TECHNOLOGY

The Territory's new EPAS electric steering system, which improves fuel economy by 2.5 percent, requires less effort at parking speeds, but can get caught short during three-point turns.

It's clear that Ford worked hard to make the Territory TDCi quiet. The Duratorq donk is barely audible at 110km/h. That diesel clatter is apparent when overtaking, but in a subdued way.  The Territory TDCi's 2.7-litre turbodiesel V6 may have 12 percent more torque (440Nm) than the 4.0-litre six-cylinder petrol engine (391Nm), available from just 1900rpm, but it's not as quick or as responsive.

The product of a Ford/Peugeot joint-development back in 2004, it has been used to power Jaguars, Peugeots and Citroens in twin-turbo form.  The Ford Territory's single-turbo version produces the same 140kW and 440Nm as it did in the 2004 LandRover Discovery.

The engine is slow to react from standstill and doesn't get going until 1800rpm. It is also doughy when called on to accelerate once moving.  The six-speed gearbox, standard on all models, is smooth, but reluctant to change down. The transmission's D-perf mode offers sharper responses more in tune with driver demands, but is likely to reduce economy, so I avoid it where possible.

Towing capacity on RWD models is unchanged; 1600kg for unbraked trailers, 2300kg with the heavy duty tow pack. AWD models can tow up to 2700kg.



DRIVING

 

The twin towns of Albury/Wodonga come and go, and a check of the trip computer reveals that fuel consumption is worse than expected. Our 9.5L/100km average is far from Ford's 7.2L/100km ADR82/02 highway claim.

As an experiment, I slow down until the instant fuel reading stays under seven, which happens around 75-80km/h. Maintaining this speed would add 2.5 hours to our 7-hour trip. I've got a flight to make, so that's out of the question. Cruise control stays pegged to the speed limit.

We pass the landlocked submarine at Holbrook then it's a quick stop at McDonalds near Yass (well, it is a road trip) before peeling off the Hume for the Federal Hwy into Canberra. We arrive in Canberra and promptly get chased away from Parliament House by the Feds while trying to take a photo.

Territory's cruising comfort is confirmed. I have none of the aches and pains of seven hours in the saddle.  The fuel economy story is less positive.

Our 9.4L/100km average for the 700km trip is well short of Ford's 7.2L/100km claim for AWD models, and even failed to match the 8.8L/100km combined cycle claim. There's just 2km left in the tank according to the trip computer, so we wouldn't have made Sydney on a single tank either.

Verdict? Territory is as versatile and practical as ever, and even more refined. The Duratorq's quietness is top-notch, but low-rpm turbo-lag and its unresponsive nature isn't, and the real-world fuel economy we achieved on this easy long-distance drive was disappointing.

Adding a diesel engine to the Territory range is the right thing to do, but should have happened years ago. With engines evolving so rapidly, putting 2004 technology in a 2011 family wagon is a case of too little too late.  Territory TDCi asks owners to give up too much of Ford's top-notch driving experience for too little fuel saving and dubious financial benefit.

I BOUGHT ONE

Mark Ewings, 38, of Torquay in Victoria is a father of three and has owned two Territorys in the last seven years.  "They're a brilliant wagon for a family, and the third row of seats comes in really handy. I'm interested to drive the new TDCi because fuel economy is, for my mind, the petrol model's only weakness."

We threw him the keys to the Territory TS TDCi, an all-wheel drive model like his Ghia, and straight away he noticed differences.

"It's not as snappy, is it? Feels like there's a hole when I want to move off. Like it's thinking too long. Feels OK once we're moving, but I don't like that initial pause."

Mark did like the Territory's newfound refinement. "It's definitely quieter than mine. I thought the diesel engine would be loud and crude like other diesels. It's not. It's really quiet."

And the new steering system? "To be honest, it doesn't feel any different. I like my Territory's steering, and this one feels just as good."
So, would he upgrade to a TDCi next time?

"I don't know. It's a lot to ask an extra $3,000 when the fuel economy would take years to make financial sense. And I don't think I like the way it drives enough to wait that long."

FORD TERRITORY TS TDCI AWD

Rating: 4.5 stars

Price: from $48,240 (plus third row)
Warranty: 3yr / 100,000km
Resale: 58 per cent
Service intervals: 15,000km or 12 months
Economy: 8.8L/100km, CO2 232g/km
Safety: Five star
Equipment: seven airbags, ABS, TC, ESC, ROM
Crash Rating: five stars
Engine: 140kW / 440Nm, 2.7-litre turbocharged diesel V6
Transmission: 6-speed automatic
Body: four-door, five or seven seats
Dimensions: L:4883 W:1898 H:1716 WB: 2843mm
Weight: 2144kg
Tyre size: 255/50R18
Spare tyre: full-size steel spare

OTHERS TO CONSIDER

Toyota Kluger KX-S AWD

Price: $55,490
Engine:201kW/337Nm, 3.5-litre V6, petrol
Transmission: five-speed automatic
Body: four doors, seven seats
Thirst: 11.0L/100km, 91RON, CO2 259g/km
"This version of the Kluger is a delight to drive"

Holden Captiva LX 7-seat
Price: $43,490
Engine: 135kW/400Nm 2.2-litre 4-cyl turbodiesel
Transmission: six-speed automatic BODY four doors, seven seats
Thirst: 8.3L/100km, diesel, CO2 220g/km
"Has enough go for any situation"

Mazda CX-9 Classic
Price: $50,015
Engine: 3.7-litre V6 petrol, 204kW/366Nm
Transmission: 6-speed automatic
Body:four doors, seven seats
Thirst:11.3L/100km, 91RON, CO2 270g/km
"A long list of standard features"

Comments on this story

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  • I;m seriously considering a 2.7 AWD Titanium but after reading of problems which may only be resolved through legal channels concerns me more that a little. It’s now October 2012, over a year after launch, and I would certainly be interested in two things here:
    1) Had Ford sorted out this owner’s problems? and
    2) As manufacturers constantly are enhancing their products, is the “lag” referred to by some owners with the diesel, being addressed?

    Mike Bearman of Pauanui, New Zealand Posted on 20 October 2012 4:40pm
  • I have a Territory 2006 AWD Ghia had it changed over to Liquid Injection LPG very economical to run and the power at the pedal is near responsive as a V8 more economy pulling my 20ft van .This car is a pleasure to drive so smooth and quite .

    lionel r young of Berwick Victoria Posted on 19 April 2012 11:58pm
  • My 2011 Diesel TS RWD Territory has had constant faults and errors appear with no answer from at lest 6 attempts of fixing it and neither the dealership OR Ford want to help or really care, they both keep passing the buck.  Legal advice has been to sue….  so be aware!!!

    angry of Moree Posted on 30 January 2012 3:32pm
  • I have a Titanium RWD diesel and just drove from a bit out of Brisbane to Sydney and did some kms in Sydney before refuelling. The computer showed 7.1 reaching Sydney and 7.5 when I refuelled. I did 888kms total on 66.5 litres (completely full) which is 7.5. The speedo is almost dead accurate with 101 showing and 100 on a GPS. This is my 4th Territory, incl. two turbos.

    David Deward of Sydney Posted on 11 November 2011 10:38pm
  • I’ve tested the Territory Diesel RWD several times and really like it apart from one thing…..There seems to be a 1-3 seconds lack on the accelerator. This is predominately when starting form zero but also when overtaking. I’ve asked the dealership about this and they confirm that there is an issue but can’t tell me when it’ll be fixed. I find it incredible that Ford have released the car as it’s a huge security issue. Look forward to a recall!

    Barry Jones, Sydney of Sydney Posted on 03 November 2011 2:52pm
  • I’m happy to take on board the above apparent & valid criticism. When considering buying a new diesel Territory ask, why no recommendations as to a suitable replacement engine. It sounds like the current world economic crisis debate, no real suggestions just that, “there must be a better way surely”.

    Neville Pearce of Sydney Posted on 26 September 2011 2:01pm
  • I have 2011 TX TDCi. Diesel injector pump leaked after 1000 km and has been in dealer for 4 weeks waiting for a part. Why no parts in Aus for this 2004 motor. Cannot get answers from Ford. I smell a lemon going off.

    Peter Bates of Kincumber Posted on 20 September 2011 9:02am
  • I bought the TX RWD. I agree it’s a little slow in its response to the accelerator, but after a month of driving it around you don’t notice it. I went with the RWD mainly because the only benefits to AWD is safety, but with the ESC and other safety features on the RWD, this seems to give no real benefit, especially for the extra up front cash and the on going economy difference. Towing I leave to my Ranger. FTR, after 5700kms I’m getting a steady 8.5 and it doesn?t seem to matter if I?m driving on the highway or in town.

    Nick Peterson of Townsville Posted on 30 August 2011 8:41pm
  • I can’t believe that they have gone with 7 year old technology for the engine, when there’s so many modern euro diesels with better economy and power. Also interesting to note that there is no mention of the appalling build quality and rather average reliability. Yes they are comfy and very practical as a family truckster, but prospective purchasers should be fully aware of the downfalls of the Territory, as well as looking at better options from other manufacturers.

    Peter Henry of Melbourne Posted on 22 August 2011 10:09pm
  • I got a Sante Fe R series. Small 2.2ltr engine so lighter. More powerful, smooth and and I get an average 8ltrs per 100 km. Why not mention one of the most technically advanced diesels in this price group and only compare petrol models?

    Gary Humphreys of Darwin Posted on 23 July 2011 8:44pm
  • It is strange in a country where we are harassed for speeding that we spend huge money to buy cars that go like the clappers,  I think the diesel is the way to go but I would go for the rwd model as the awd model would soak up the fuel,  LSD would do the trick for most situation that requires any extra traction

    Ian Campbell of Newcastle Posted on 28 June 2011 12:30am
  • Rob Golley of Hobart, 200kW wouldn’t be too flash with 55nm to back it up. LOL!

    mannix Posted on 27 June 2011 2:18pm
  • I don’t know about the powerchip, but i bet that there’d be plenty of performance shops who could reflash the ECU for much less than a chip would cost. case in point - probably doesn’t compare, but Mercedes 2.1 4 cyl diesel is easily remapped to pump out very respectable figures.

    whoozi Posted on 27 June 2011 2:14pm
  • If you’re buying something as big (or bigger) than a Territory, you are not buying a sports car, so off the line performance really doesn’t count. I had a Subaru Forester XT auto. It did 0-100 in 7 seconds. I now drive Mitsubishi Challenger Turbo Diesel. Guess what? I’m much happier. It’s bigger, stronger and uses half the fuel (and goes well off-road). The fuel costs are the same as I had to run Premium unleaded, but I get twice as far. Diesels are the way to go. My rev-head days are long gone. If I want them back I’ll by a V8.

    Greg of Sydney Posted on 19 June 2011 9:56pm
  • I have just test driven a new Territory and find your comments on the “doughy” take off and poor in gear acceleration to be rubbish. I found the car drove very well (I have a G6E turbo) and accelerates more than adequately for a family car. The Merc 3.0 litre diesel I had has the biggest flat spot of any car I have ever driven to the point of being dangerous. I do find the lack of options a mystery - why no leather option for the mid range model? All up I can?t see why I would pay an extra $20k for a Volvo or $60k more for a Merc or BMW - or even $30k more for a Land Rover. I am very keen to see if the powerchip upgrades for the land rover diesel can fit the Territory - then it is 180kw and loads of torque to compare to an X5. Does anybody know if this is the case?

    Grant Muller of kew Posted on 19 June 2011 11:35am
  • And what did you pay for the Volvo XC60? Does it have the option of 7 seats? Oh course a Volvo is quality, you get what you pay for but for most Aussies the Territory is affordable. Oh and I haven’t bought one or ever owned one but think your comparison is laughable. At least the Territory is Australian made and keeping jobs in Oz. Go for what you can afford I say!

    Amused Reader of Melbourne Posted on 18 June 2011 8:24pm
  • To cross from the light and into the dark and buy a Volvo is special to say the least. BMW and Volvo are not even in the same price bracket as the Territory.  Ford has made an affordable SUV for the average person with a good range of features.  Imagine what they would take off of a VOLVO or BMW if they had to sell it for the same price as a Territory!

    sellyoursoulandbuyavolvo of australia Posted on 14 June 2011 8:09pm
  • I owned a ford TS with all the extra’s and loved it. The only issue with the new diesel model would be price, the average Aussie cannot afford the extra fee that comes with a diesel. These days many car buyers look at two things - fuel price and car price? What?s the answer?

    andy Posted on 13 June 2011 7:02pm
  • Well I bought a territory - yes petrol TS. What a load of junk!!! Every thing a option. After only 8000klm, I got rid of the rattly piece of crap. I Bought a Volvo XC60. Now before you all laugh, consider, basically every item standard, 1 of the safest cars in the world & superbly finished! Not 1 issue. Afraid after over 20 fords I would never ever buy another Australian made piece of crap, like the territory. The Volvo XC60 in aspects, including performance leaves the Ford Territory for dead. It is a terrible shame we can not produce a better car.

    MikeM of Melbourne Posted on 12 June 2011 11:28pm
  • Greg P of SA -  don’t be a know-all. I’ve never heard of failed underpinnings causing the front wheels to fall off any Korean SUV overnight as happened with early Territories (even if Ford denied any fault existed BEFORE they changed the design of the components). Wheels has long been a bogan mag for the Holden/Ford brigade and it still carries much of that baggage. Who cares if they like a Territory more than an X5. Many of us know by experience and disappointment that Aussie cars have serious short comings in quality and design. The fact is its diesel motor was good in 2004 and is behind the pack now. That’s why they put a twin turbo in the new Ford owned Jags. Twin turbos eliminate the low down lag.

    who'syadaddy of innerwest Posted on 12 June 2011 7:21pm
  • Ford shot themselves in the foot when the Territory was released by not offering a diesel. They are now offering a diesel that is years out of date while their competitors are introducing modern diesels. Shame such an excellent vehicle was not manufactured to it’s full potential, Ford could have cornered the market and even exported.

    Graham Oberling of Victoria Posted on 04 June 2011 6:20pm
  • What a sad, sorry group of ill-informed nay-sayers and wafflers ! Who in their right mind would choose a Korean car over a Territory?? To all the know-alls who know ZERO (other than hot-air) please refer to the latest Wheels mag - er sorry But Territory just beat the BMW X5. Some of us need to awaken and stop bagging OZ products. 90,000 owners cannot be a fluke!

    gregp of sa Posted on 26 May 2011 12:41pm
  • Support Australian Made???? I own a BA Falcon Futura that leaks oil from the power steering, shudders when I brake even slightly, wears tyres out early requiring constant wheel alignments, has no heater due to crappy broken plastic rod costing $1000 to fix, has no airconditioning gas leaks, ABS/TRACS light keeps coming on needing resetting @ $70 a pop, seats have collapsed causing airbag light to stay on @ $70 per reset, crappy old 4 speed auto that leaks into the radiator, uses fuel like a V12…..............do I really need to go on? should I mentions the resale value, New $36500 and 1 year old $20000 now 6 years old and worth just $3000!!! Shame on Ford and their junk!!!!!! Never ever ever ever ever buy a Ford, particularly one @ $70k

    Love that Ford Car! of Canberra Posted on 09 May 2011 11:42pm
  • Just took the Territory Titanium diesel AWD for a test drive for the third time, I’ll put in point form.  Having own a Territory AWD Ghia for the past 5 years feel the below point are a fair comment. Postives: Diesel Motor: Seems to have enough get and go, Handling: Seems ok, not to firm more on the soft side but better than the out going modal, Braking:  Much better than the outgoing modal. Negatives:  Apart from a new dash basically the same as the current modal, to much plastic at 70k for the top modal a little more up market look would have been nice.  Not much difference between the modals once you get past the leather trim. Front seats are more like bean bags and offer little support if your a person that suffers from back issues,  Adjustable electric pedals have deleted, this was an excellent feature, no third row air bags.  Overall once you look past the new diesel, its bit of a disappointment Australian car manufactures just lack the ability to compete on the world stage.  Think I will pass on this modal.

    Wayne of Sydney Posted on 06 May 2011 11:56pm
  • Is it still true that a diesel engine develops its best fuel economy after a rather long running in, say 40000 ks?

    terry Posted on 05 May 2011 10:07pm
  • Wouldn’t a LPG version of a territory be more efficient and cheaper to run? Kill the petrol tank and use the latest LPG technology…. Go Ford…

    Frank Bruno of Werribee Victoria Posted on 01 May 2011 5:01pm
  • Deadset idiots…the car has 4.5 stars - but the reviewer has bagged the car. As for the comparison from Mr. Ewings, of course the car is going to feel different - it’s a DIESEL. If you scroll down a little further, power is smaller than the Kluger, but the Territory has more Torque. Do you people understand anything about cars, or just take one reviewers word for it? I don’t have an alliance to any particular brand, but my god there are some stupid comments here. This article is hardly unbiased in any way shape or form. One sentence about safety…well, I guess it’s not so important. Go have a look at the review for the Captiva, read the byline under each photo, and tell me that there’s not something wrong with this picture…

    As far as waiting to have a head on with a Territory, I’d rather use my driving abilities to avoid this, rather than just wait for it.

    Sezzy of Brisbane Posted on 27 April 2011 1:11pm
  • hey,
    all you melbourne guys, just you have only the soft free settlers blood in you and want to drive crappy vw’s. support the tough convicts and the pure tough aussie cars like fords…

    reuben fall of bourke Posted on 23 April 2011 6:43pm
  • Go Shannon!

    ticka of 2004 Posted on 21 April 2011 11:45am
  • All you FORD supporters, you just wait until you have a head on in a Territory with another car. You won’t know a thing about it, you’ll be dead meat. No protection what so ever. Why go on supporting Aussie made if ya gonna die over it? Have a head on in a Toyota Kluger against another car, you will come out alive.

    Shannon of Morwell Posted on 18 April 2011 7:53pm
  • Have to agree with flaxtonbumpy of Canberra - I own a Disco 3 and was waiting to trade in to an Aussie diesel, been waiting a long time, but will go with KIA Sorento instead.

    Len Waud of Beerwah Posted on 18 April 2011 7:11pm
  • I am not overly concerned about the $3000 price increase for the diesel. What many people forget is when it comes time to sell this vehicle you will get most of that premium back. Just look at used vehicles with diesel and petrol engines, the diesel variants can get up to an extra $5000 over their petrol counter parts. The Land Rover Discovery is a good example of this.

    Michael from Melbourne of Melbourne Posted on 17 April 2011 1:02pm
  • C’mon Australia ... Support Aussie Made!! The Territory is a great wagon, now more than ever we need to back up our Australian Manufacturing Industry. The Diesel finally gives the Big Fella a hand in the economy stakes.

    G of SE Qld Posted on 17 April 2011 11:28am
  • Why would I pay 2011 prices for 2004 technology? I cannot believe Ford has botched this up, we’ve been waiting for years for the diesel and they’ve given us this! I smell EA and AU Falcon mentality here. They’ve had plenty of time to organise a decent diesel and they’ve disappointed. Any variations of this diesel by other manufacturers has included more CC’s and twin turbo and anything less is just Ford being cheap and nasty. I too was waiting for this vehicle to buy but alas I’m now looking forward to the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD in June!

    flaxtonbumpy of Canberra Posted on 15 April 2011 9:10pm
  • I think Glenn left the handbrake on.

    antman of freo Posted on 14 April 2011 7:49pm
  • Interesting that the engine is panned by this writer when it got good reviews when used in the Discovery, which is a significantly heavier car. I am also surprised at the extra cost given that Ford (and PSA) have had several years to amortise the R&D costs - it should be dirt cheap for them. For the goose who expects parts prices to have a 150% mark-up from PSA and then another 150% mark-up from Ford, you do understand how a joint venture works, don’t you? Ford produces the engines (and spare parts) in partnership with PSA, it doesn’t buy them from PSA.

    Sure, it would be nice to have the 3.0L now used by land Rover but Ford may not have the rights to it, this engine has only come out in Jags and Land Rovers since Ford sold them off.

    It will be interesting to read some other reviews and see if they agree.

    antman of freo Posted on 14 April 2011 7:24pm
  • should have kept up with the times and put in the 3 litre motor
    still it is a very smart looking vehicle and if I was looking to trade I would certainly consider one

    paul of adelaide Posted on 14 April 2011 3:35pm
  • I love my 2004 AWD Ghia Territory, I have been hanging out for the new model. No AWD Petrol ... I’m buying a V8 Grand Cherokee Jeep. You made a big mistake Ford bringing in the rattly 2.7 diesel.

    Peter Marr of Melbourne Posted on 13 April 2011 10:47pm
  • The quoted fuel economy is under standard test conditions. Real life economy will be different for just about everything. 2004 technology or not, there are still not that many diesels with this mix of refinement and power/torque. Not Toyota (with their old mechanical injector tractor engines) and not Holden. Great Wall just LOL, you have no idea. Territory’s are one of the nicest drives from this type of vehicle, but go and drive an American (or Chinese) truck if you want.

    Gary of Narre Warrem Posted on 13 April 2011 8:37pm
  • I too can’t believe they haven’t put a decent diesel in the new Territory. As your reviewer says, its 2004 technology. With such heavy vehicles Land Rover and BMW have moved to twin turbo 3.0 litre diesels to achieve adequate performance (though this tired 2.7 litre version IS still available in the entry level Discovery. A great feature of the existing (petrol) Territory is the sparkling performance of the (thirsty) in line six - you won’t get anything like that with this 2.7 engine. Sadly, Ford are dropping the AWD petrol option too - I know of at least one Territory owner who was waiting for the new diesel and is now very disappointed with it’s performance AND the non-availability of a new petrol AWD version. Shes heading for a Toyota.

    Simon Maclaurin of Perth Posted on 13 April 2011 4:49pm
  • I have had a RWD drive since 2006 . Towing a 2000kg van around aust I got an average of 19.1 l/100km. They can keep there diesel & also ground clearance need to be a little higher & does not match the US Explorer.  However I love my Territory!!

    ron Wittig of Port Stephens NSW Posted on 12 April 2011 11:16pm
  • I like this vehicle - I think this is a very good move on Ford’s part.  This vehicle will sell very well because its simply a more substantial vehicle than the Holden Captiva, and the 2.7 litre TDV6 motor has been proven to be very reliable in the Land Rover Discovery 3, and economical.  The economy will improve significantly once the engine has been run in properly.

    The only real threat to Ford’s Territory is when Toyota bring out a diesel motor for the Kluger, and so far, there’s nothing in the horizon.

    I can see that the diesel Territory will become a favourite for folks who want to tow small to medium sized caravans.

    Lawrance L of Melbourne, VIC Posted on 12 April 2011 12:32am
  • if it was a holden the journo would be praising it to the max!!! One thing I have noticed lately is that the media are pro holden and anti every other car! Case in point the new 380 is released and all the media can say is “do we need another new V6 when petrol prices are this high”, six months later when the new commodore was released all gushing praise even though petrol prices were higher than when the 380 was released!! When the new FG was released the media said that they couldn’t see the evolution of the FG and the previous model….mmm seems like the media has it’s fave and is happy to praise the chosen one. I must say I agree with Ford man of Tamworth there is axe grinding going on. Good luck to ford’s new territory!!

    Me of Qld Posted on 11 April 2011 10:42am
  • Well I must say l’m suprised at the fuel economy, not just of this car but so many out there,l just bought a 2000 Lincoln 4 litre 210 kilowatt V8, its about the size of a Falcon but oh so much better built and equiped and its averaging 9.2 litres per 100Klm driving in and around Melbourne and on the highway, now if the yanks could do this 10 years ago why cant the rest of the world catch up. Even my Managers F250 diesel runs about 10 litres per 100Klm and thats in a truck! Come on people, start looking to the USA for some real innovation in engines.

    Dave Pickford of Geelong Posted on 10 April 2011 10:29pm
  • Around $58,000 for a diesel AWD 7 seater, I think Ford are dreaming here. There are much better value for money, quality, and warranties offered by other manufacturers. The fact that Ford has finally caught up with the rest of the world and offered a diesel doesn’t mean I will be considering this car. I reckon the Santa Fe diesel is much better value for a similar size SUV and great build quality, and if the CX9 comes out in a diesel that would be worth a look. Interestingly, the Volvo XC90 ($75K+) is not much more than Ford is asking for the Titanium ($65k+) , much better presented and safer, and a much larger car. I would urge Ford buyers to look around for a better deal.

    Matt Posted on 09 April 2011 2:12pm
  • where do they bang this pos together?

    paulie of adelaide Posted on 09 April 2011 12:52pm
  • Just the little ride for mum to drive when shopping. This would be a lot more fun with the new 5.0 litre petrol engine.

    Frank Bingle of Walkerville, SA Posted on 09 April 2011 9:59am
  • I agree with the reviewer.
    2004 technology in a 2011 Territory is wrong. On top of that, they went for a single turbo. Surely a twin scroll turbo would have been much better.
    I would consider an aftermarket twin scroll blower if it made a significant difference.
    I notice there are 0-100 times for the diesel. Has Ford gagged reporters on this?

    Kieran Posted on 08 April 2011 8:54pm
  • Lol so many bad comments.  As with anything u go out and test drive it and compare it to other cars.  Stop being so negative lol good job ford hope it is a success for you

    Johnboy.76 of New farm Brisbane Posted on 08 April 2011 8:35pm
  • One must wonder how some people retain their jobs when they can’t even read a brochure / press release. Given the Diesel Territory you drove was AWD & the combined figure quoted by Ford is 9.0L/100klm on AWD you evidently have an axe to grind given the vehicle is not even run in - and you call yourself a professional - What no towns between Albury / Canberra - I must get a new map.

    Ford Man of Tamworth Posted on 08 April 2011 2:50pm
  • I doubt very much that this Ford Diesel will ever make it out of the car yard. Out of 53 comments no-one noticed that this diesel engine runs on 91RON, well, whaddaya know, yep dual fuels for a diesel engine. Good onya Ford, at last, no more worries about which fuel to use, according to this review, either fuel will suffice. Well that makes it easier at the fuel pumps, if one is more expensive ? fill up with the cheaper fuel, doesn’t matter which, according to this review. What? It?s not April 1st, damn.

    CarlMc of Taree Hinterland Posted on 07 April 2011 10:19pm
  • Stop with the age of the engine nonsense, there are a host of Ford engineers who work really hard to develop (re: modify) it to suit the application into the Territory, it?s not a matter of going ?Oh that will fit let?s just bung it in and she?ll be right?. If the journalists logic is to be believed, then the engine in the petrol falcon is 50 years old (hell it still shares the same bore size) don?t start with the V8 in the Holden it?s even older. If Ford just took the PSA engine (the one built at the Joint venture plant in Spain) and not the revised one built in the Ford plant in the UK specifically for the TDCi Territory, and other applications throughout Ford, everyone of you can and should complain, until then, just stop.

    Sorry for the engineers of Queensland Posted on 07 April 2011 9:46pm
  • This is a terrible review and shows the bias of the author and Carsguide in general. Why do all the other reviewers contradict your findings?

    Poor Journalism of Carsguide Posted on 07 April 2011 7:50pm
  • I think that is amazing that you would print such a biased revue. It seems Glenn wanted to disprove the economy figures than test the full car. All over media sources give a completely different viewpoint to him, so who would beleive him

    Colin Atkinson Posted on 07 April 2011 3:46pm
  • This review is not matched by any other auto journo in it’s criticism of the new diesel Territory. It seems this guy has an axe to grid - why is he employed by the paper when his evaluation skills seem biased compared to the rest of the auto media?

    Fair Go Mate! Posted on 07 April 2011 2:57pm
  • I’m sure this motor will last a lot longer than the highly stressed Korean motors that people are raving on about. Think 3.0L Nisan Patrol for the longevity of the R-Series Hyundai motor and Daewoo Captiva.

    The Realist Posted on 07 April 2011 1:56pm
  • Another biased article from Glen Butler. This is a contradiction to all the articles on other sites?? No wonder wheels sacked you…

    Bollywood Shak Posted on 07 April 2011 1:45pm
  • Where exactly does it state how many k’s the test mule has amassed.
    Are all you who disagree with the write up assuming that the engine is not run in.

    fair go Posted on 07 April 2011 10:24am
  • Turbo-lag? Almost all diesels have it, especially when coupled with an automatic transmission. A friend’s Golf TDi DSG is terrible in this regard, although I guess it’s something you get used to an adjust your driving habits accordingly.

    This is such an extremely negative review (especially compared to other motoring websites) that one must question Glenn Butler’s intentions.

    Phillip Posted on 07 April 2011 4:34am
  • small diesels motors are good for power and fuel like the ones in golf, focus,most fwd cars etc once you get into a car that is around 2000kg and that is rear or 4x4 in a diesel motor the fuel isnt much difference to a petrol motor thats what i think.

    tony of mittagong Posted on 06 April 2011 10:19pm
  • This is the mosed biased piece of journalism I’ve ever seen.  How can you compare a class leading Aussie made product like this to a Korean heap badged as a Holden??  For shame!  If you have an issue with Fords at least let someone else write the article and give it a fair and unbiased assessment.

    Enough Already of NSW Posted on 06 April 2011 9:28pm
  • Land Rover engines are round for being under powered, oil leaking junkets, they have a very long bad history.  I’ll stick with my Injected LPG 07 Territory until Ford release a dedicated Injected LPG Version.  I don’t think the diesel is the answer, especially a 6cyl engine, when all other manufactures are able to deliver the same HP in 4 CYL Diesels, which have far better fuel econemy.  I’m averaging 12lt/100km with Injected LPG, which equates to 5lt/100km in Petrol or Diesel terms, which is almost half the running cost of their new diesel. 

    Thanks,
    Jason

    Jason of Brisbane Posted on 06 April 2011 7:51pm
  • i have heard stories about testing of the new motors and them blowing up at 60000 kms because it is single turbo instead of twin turbo… any truth to this rumour??

    underwhelmed ford fan of lakes entrance Posted on 06 April 2011 7:03pm
  • I wouldn’t be making too many judgements over the fuel economy. I’ve got an SY Ghia AWD and it averages below that on the highway. The engine just needs running in and a lighter right foot.

    nick of east malvern Posted on 06 April 2011 6:59pm
  • Honda called. They want the headlights off their Accord Euro back.

    Steven of Melbourne Posted on 06 April 2011 6:12pm
  • Why does this site say the Terry has a temporary spare tyre when other sites say it has a full size 17” steel wheel?

    mick of grafton nsw aus Posted on 06 April 2011 5:24pm
  • Wow 9.4L/100km, my Pajero DiD would beat that easy and it weighs a good few hundred kg more, not very impressive.  Despite Ford claiming the auto is a copy of the ZF, having had two cars with the ZF I can only say Ford must’ve copied it very poorly because the ZF would never hesitate about what gear to use.

    Jondalar of Brisbane Posted on 06 April 2011 4:13pm
  • Should have continued importing the Explorer. V8, , 11l/100km, 7 seats, 6 airbags, lots of bells and whistles, MAGIC drive, very quiet at 110. Wouldn’t swap mine for quids, you can keep the Territory

    Fred Bloggs of Castlemaine Posted on 06 April 2011 2:10pm
  • This report is completely floored by the so called motoring journalist. For one the car hasn’t been run i.e. 5000km,so the drive train will be as tight as a Scotsman in a recession.If journo would have read the owner’s manual he might have learnt something a little closer to the truth.The comments by other savvy readers have pointed this out and i imagine are not paid professionals, so good on them, shame on the journo.Perhaps the journo is a spy for Toyota?Or paid big money by them, either way he shold be working for Womans Day.

    cj the dj of brisbane Posted on 06 April 2011 1:04pm
  • Why put a 7 year old engine in a 2011 car?  it was a nice engine in the 2004 Peugeot 407 SV but reducing to single turbo introduces lag at the bottom end.  has Ford put any thought into this car?

    heavy of heaven Posted on 06 April 2011 12:06pm
  • Once again, Ford delivers 20 yr old technology dressed up as new offerings. 6 yrs to cover the difference in cost between the petrol and diesel, and that’s without allowing for further disparity in the difference between petrol and diesel pricing (it could end up 30 or 40 cents per litre extra for diesel).
    The engine is a slug, with no new technology. Electric steering that can “get caught out”, on 3 point turns? Sounds like that area still hasn’t been properly refined. Just wait until buyers are appalled at the cost of parts for the diesel engine, after Peugeot/Citroen have added their 150% markup, and Ford add their 150% markup as well. We should be building the latest high tech diesel engines here, with 3L/100km fuel sipping. The technology is available, the problem is the status quo where manufacturers will not initiate new engine technology, nor supply what the customer is looking for.

    Ron N of Perth, W.A. Posted on 06 April 2011 11:36am
  • Shane Markey & Scott Newman, the Territory is a completely different class of vehicle to the Outback and the Passat, and there would be something seriously wrong with your [much lighter] vehicles if they didn?t get better fuel economy than the 2 ton+ Territory, so to write it off it for this reason is ridiculous.

    Jim C of Sydney Posted on 06 April 2011 10:11am
  • My 2008 model 3-lt petrol Outback gets better fuel economy on the highway than that. Melbourne to Lakes Entrance and back 8.4lt per 100 average (with some around town stuff).

    Scott Newman of Melbourne Posted on 06 April 2011 8:57am
  • Still looks dated from behind compared with so many others. Great from the front though. The economy reported at highway cruising is not good who cruises a highway at 80 to get economy. I get 6/100 in my Santa Fe at 100kph and would certainly get another rather than the Territory just as big as well. At least maybe trigger Toyota to put a diesel in the Kluger they do have many to choice from.

    Bill P of Brisbane Posted on 06 April 2011 6:19am
  • Up to 7 seats, I?m a big boy and I need leg room. There is no possible way I could ever fit in the 3rd row of seats. We have an Explorer which is a true 7 seat, and then there?s the bigger brother the Excursion. Why do we need to spend billions making this Territory, there is a world renowned and time tested platform in Explorer and Excursion. With ranges of diesels, ethanol, E85 and petrol engines. Once the kids grow older than 6 they cannot sit in the rear seats anymore nor will they want to. Being sold as a 7 seater is a joke. It is a sedan size interior.

    Sonny of Sydney Posted on 06 April 2011 3:11am
  • Too little too late I am afraid. When I look at the specs of the Kia Sorento, Ford are kidding with their prices.

    John Collins of Mornington Posted on 06 April 2011 3:06am
  • Why don’t they get it? Too little too late. I am about to update my VW Passat wagon after 160,000km trouble free with 1,000kms per 85 litre tank. Why would I look at a wagon that cannot get 800km and is described as sluggish! I would love to buy Aussie again, but I cannot see it happening.

    Shane Markey of CLONBINANE Posted on 06 April 2011 1:56am
  • Save $$$ by buying a 7 year old Landrover. A lot of money for nothing new! OH FORD, YOU?VE DONE IT AGAIN! LOL. It doesn?t matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it?s still a pig!

    Phil De-Ath of Melbourne Posted on 06 April 2011 12:36am
  • My experience with new cars, whether it be diesel or petrol, is that they ALWAYS use more fuel in the first 5000kms after which, the engine frees up and fuel economy improves.
    My business have petrol powered and diesel powered utes, and its the same story for all of them.

    nik of sydney Posted on 06 April 2011 12:06am
  • The ‘too little, too late’ argument put by the author is well said. Ford should’ve installed a torque-tuned version of the twin turbo 3.0L out of the Jaguar. It’s a brilliant unit. Whilst the 2.7l version is said to be soft from initial take-off, it has more to do with the car’s weight than the engine. At 2.0-2.2 tonnes (depending on drivetrain) it’s always going to be sluggish from initial take off. This is also apparent in the 4-speed petrol versions. The 6-speed ZF units are much better. Begs the question, why didn’t Ford intro a gas unit (earlier) as they have just done with the FG??? It has more torque than the petrol unit and at 65cents/litre, it’s better on $$.

    Marcel of Gold Coast Posted on 05 April 2011 11:57pm
  • Or ... you could go the extra couple of dollars (I’m going to have to spend near 120k ) to get into a BMW X5 x35d. 180kW, some more torque, 8 speed, drunk yank build quality ... but having owned a late 2005 SY 6 speed AWD Ghia for 5 years now. The only fault is the tailgate strap pin falling out! Top car, but 16l/100. The X5 will have 8, and depreciation will be 60% at 4-5 years. Sorry.  It was meant to be a budget X5 copy.

    Luke of Milura Posted on 05 April 2011 11:54pm
  • Good luck Ford with the new Territory. I’m sorry but right from the start when news first broke that the Territory was to be fitted with a 2004 model single turbo diesel, I knew that Ford had lost any competitive edge and blown it. For me a suitable engine would be of at least 3 litres/twin turbo with 200kw and at least 55nm of torque. Geared up suitably for the increased torque mileage would be lower than the 2.7 litre single turbo unit. Look at the latest 4.0+litre twin turbo diesel in the Range. What an incredible motor and around 10l/100km in a 2.7 tonne vehicle! Come on Ford please get serious and give us the state of art stuff that you otherwise should be enticing us with. If you are to survive in Australia, it is quite simple. We Australians want to buy your product and support Ford Australia. However you have to also offer us suitable up to date product that we expect! For the record I do own a G6E Turbo - a great vehicle that they almost got right except for short changed items for which there were no excuse -no power seat for the passenger, no touch screen for the IC unit and Sat Nav which is inexcusable in a $60,000+ vehicle, as well as a Sahara Turbo Diesel Landcruiser.

    Rob Golley of Hobart Posted on 05 April 2011 11:03pm
  • What’s it like off road?

    Ivan jackson of Adelaide Posted on 05 April 2011 10:25pm
  • I used to own one 2004 Ghia AWD good car for family, no problems with it either. The 3.0l TDI would be a better engine I believe; maybe they are saving that for later models. I?m not sure now, but in the EF Ford the best fuel consumption was when you drive at 78km/h just after it went into 4th Gear and locked up the box. Maybe the 6 speed is similar. Good story though.

    Bob of Overseas Posted on 05 April 2011 10:02pm
  • I’ve read another review of the TDV6 Territory where the only agreement with this article is the excellent practicality, space and refinement. In fact, they favourably compared the refinement to a $100k German SUV. Unsuprising considering the SZ Terri was benchmarked against X5 & Range Rover and is actually quieter in several tests. When it came to economy they got better driving 200km in mixed city and urban driving. They even said, ‘just a tickle of the throttle will have the Ford lunging forward. Brilliant.’ Take one for a test drive. It’s the best thing you could do.

    Phil C of Newcastle Posted on 05 April 2011 9:09pm
  • At least it is made in Australia unlike the others mentioned and at least you keep jobs in Australia.

    Mark of W Posted on 05 April 2011 8:57pm
  • I hope you didn’t rely totally on the trip computer to get the fuel economy figure ... I have found that Ford trip computers tend to read a bit worse than reality. Conversely, every Holden I have driven has had a trip computer that was a bit optimistic! The only way to measure true fuel economy is to start with a full tank, drive the kms then refill. It sounds like this test relied on the computer reading ... either way, the new Territory certainly looks good, the front reminds me of the Ford Edge in America.

    Dean Turner of Sunbury Vic Posted on 05 April 2011 8:32pm
  • The new Territory I was waiting in anticipation, but based on your story it leaves me short, especially with the power unit. What was wrong with the 3.0 litre from the Ranger? I drive a 3.0 litre Jeep and at present I think I will stay with it! Towing capacity is a shortfall for me. Sorry!

    Jeffrey Swan of Canberra Posted on 05 April 2011 8:30pm
  • Regrettably in Australia, unlike most of the world, diesel is sold at a higher price than ULP. Sometimes as much as 15% higher so unless the diesel Territory was sold at same price as petrol one it wouldn’t repay its cost deficit very quickly. That said, the torque is great in a diesel and if you remember to keep at least 1500rpm on the tacho then there is never an issue with lag ? I drive a Scudo 2.0 turbo diesel with significantly less power and torque and weight but similar physical size (in fact my Scudo is physically larger in most dimensions) and most of the time it has 700kg payload and I average 8.4 litres per 100km.

    Wayne Hobbs of Goolwa SA Posted on 05 April 2011 8:16pm
  • Phil Polock of Brisbane; Comparing the new Territory to a Great Wall is like comparing a filet steak to a beef burger. The Great Wall 4x4 is cheap, unsafe, bland and extremely uninspiring. In fact it is so bad it doesn’t deserve anymore space in this comment!

    James C of Perth Posted on 05 April 2011 8:15pm
  • Fuel consupmtion figures vary, but the idea is not to be exactly real world as that’s different for everyone. It’s to be able to comapre apples with apples on various brands. It’s thirst will get much better as the engine runs in, and the Territory is a damned good Aussie vehicle that can compete with the best of them. Wish we had them here in Dubai.

    CJ of Dubai Posted on 05 April 2011 6:44pm
  • Hmm, so according to Ford’s own calculations it would take about 6+ years to recoup the extra cost of the diesel, most people won’t even keep the car that long, stick with the petrol.

    alec of Brisbane Posted on 05 April 2011 6:23pm
  • I think any purchaser of the diesel would need to look at two distinct advantages. First, fuel economy - especially when towing and around town the diesel will be significantly more frugal then the petrol, and second, the resale. Demand and therefore selling price of diesel 4WDs far exceed the petrol models. Just have a look at cars for sale and compare Landcruiser and Prado diesels to petrols. It is a shame it is older technology, however Europe are far further advanced with their diesel engines than Oz and Japan. I think it will be a winner for Ford. They need it.

    KC of Nowra Posted on 05 April 2011 6:19pm
  • With all the diesels that ford could get hold of have they made a mistake. Great looks.

    paul Posted on 05 April 2011 5:48pm
  • Having owned a 2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 with this engine I can say that after it gets some mileage under its belt it loosens up considerably and the fuel economy improves dramatically.  After 30,000 km’s my hwy average was as low as 8.5 l/100kms, in a 2.7 tonne car.  It also lost that initial turbo lag and became far more responsive.  I now have the 3.0l TdV6 Disco and whilst it’s considerably more responsive than the 2.7, the difference isn’t as great as you might think.  Hence anyone looking at a diesel Territory would be advised to drive a demo model with plenty of km’s under it’s belt to get a true feel of the engine.

    Johnno of Brisbane Posted on 05 April 2011 5:06pm
  • I wouldn’t pay too much attention to fuel economy attained by a motoring writer, you have to bear in mind that these socalled experts don’t own the car, it comes from the manufacturer with a full tank of fuel and they generally have a right foot larger than an Elephant. This car will do well in rural Australia wher farmers have only Diesel on the farm and most would probably like a town car that can be driven to town in comfort that can also be driven around the paddock with a bit of care.

    Richard Brisbane of Brisbane Posted on 05 April 2011 5:00pm
  • It would be great if the stated fuel consumption on cars actually reflected real life driving.

    New Territory looks amazing!

    Anthony N of Melbourne Posted on 05 April 2011 4:35pm
  • I wouldn’t be surprised to see fuel economy improve once the engine has been properly run-in.

    Richo Posted on 05 April 2011 4:07pm
  • Might be OK, but a Great Wall….just as big, does better than this in 4WD and just as good in every respect WITH low range as well….costs about one third of the price of this piece of plastic.

    Phil Polock of brisbane Posted on 05 April 2011 3:51pm
  • Rob does that mean I could tow a boat behind my diesel Ford Fiesta and maintain decent fuel economy? I got the towbar fitted but haven’t bothered with anything bigger than a box trailer yet.
    Cheers!

    Joe of Gold Coast Posted on 05 April 2011 3:06pm
  • Waste of time spent millions on something that does not move the segment anywhere.
    Whats really amazing is they have in there cupboard the right equipment for the Terri. called ECOLPG, opportunity lost yet again by Ford

    FrugalOne of AUS Posted on 05 April 2011 3:06pm
  • Why couldnt they just build a proper dual fuel gas Terry? Surely that would have been heaps easier.

    Richmond of Canberra Posted on 05 April 2011 2:51pm
  • It seems like a great improvement over the superceded Territory, but $5000 extra for AWD!? Seems like Ford has been to the European car-makers school of rip-off options pricing…....

    Jim C of Sydney Posted on 05 April 2011 2:51pm
  • Ford really don’t do themselves any favours.
    This engine is so out of date in turbo diesel terms it seems incredulous that Ford would spend the money to adapt it to the Territory.
    Having driven a near new Hertz hire car from Noosa to Sydney before Christmas we achieved figures of 8.9 - 9.1 litres per 100km for the 4 litre petrol six. Now, reading this review, I won’t be buying the diesel and certainly not at any extra $3,250.
    The Territory is a world class car, however, taking a backward step with this diesel engine, no matter how much Australian engineering has gone into it just makes no sense, which anyone who has driven the Jaguar / Land Rover 3 litre twin turbo diesel will attest.
    It is also a travesty that this vehicle has not been engineered for left hand drive and makes no sense. The export potential for a vehicle of this quality is almost limitless.

    Nick Posted on 05 April 2011 1:52pm
  • Very disappointing that Ford has delayed this engine for so long and then delivered what may have been the original test version… no advances from the intervening years. Ford look like they are just marking time with Aussie built cars until the move to US designs.

    PS. The road from Yass to Canberra is the Barton Hwy.
    The Federal Hwy is the road from Canberra to the Hume Hwy on the more direct route to Sydney.

    Clive Posted on 05 April 2011 1:42pm
  • Main advantage to a diesel in this type of car is low fuel consumption when towing - based on my current diesel experience, this Territory will probably still only use 12L/100km when towing a medium trailer (boat or caravan) - where the petrol would blow out to 17 or 18L/100kms - and this is where diesel shows its strength. If you want a car with sporty performance, don’t buy a Diesel SUV smile (or an SUV at all!)

    Rob H of Sydney Posted on 05 April 2011 1:32pm
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