Audi Q8 vs Audi RS4

What's the difference?

The updated Audi Q8 60 TFSIe quattro S line still looks good inside and out. It fits a family comfortably without feeling too big and there’s enough here to satisfy those who like the luxury features. 

It's price tag will hurt it but the improved power outputs and driving range is a big plus and makes the plug-in hybrid powertrain make more sense.

What a way to send off this generation of Audi RS4 and RS5. The extra focus courtesy of those trick coil overs and drama from the exhaust plus the sharper gear changes deliver the best Audi has done with these RS products. 

There are some compromises, with the suspension favouring outright control over low-speed comfort. It’s also true that the current BMW’s M3 and M4 are more impressive, but when the products are nearly seven years fresher than Audi’s, what do you expect? 

Plus, those looking for a more restrained and polite fast executive sedan (or wagon) will gel with the Audi’s sophistication. There aren’t many of these Competition Plus RS4 and RS5s coming to Australia and they are impressive visually and from behind the wheel. It’s a fitting way to send off the current generations.

Note: CarsGuide attended this event as a guest of the manufacturer, with accommodation and meals provided.

When it comes to style, the Q8 60 TFSIe quattro S line has it in spades. Featuring a design that looks athletic with its long lines and wide stance, you'll always be proud to hop into it.

Red calipers now come standard and they look awesome on the optioned 22-inch alloys. The update sees a redesigned front with new grille and reshaped matrix LED headlights and a 2D badge design.

While SUV coupes aren’t usually my jam, the Q8 manages to tick the 'sexy' box.

The interior is honestly the same and only die-hard fans will notice the new menu screens on the multimedia system. The cabin is a fine example of what a luxury SUV should look like because its polished, well-built and sumptuous but it has the classic Audi edge, so there is still a sporty vibe going on.

The panoramic sunroof adds some airiness to the otherwise dark cabin and the Valcona leather upholstery is liberally splashed about, so most of what you touch feels premium and soft.

The RS4 Avant’s 'Progressive Red' metallic helps the black milled 20-inch alloy wheels pop. Its stance is hugely purposeful with wheels tucked right up in the blistered arches courtesy of the lowered ride height — it's how the Avant would have looked in a design sketch.

The visual bulk of the long-roofed RS4 gives it the sort of proportions motoring journalists love to wax lyrical about, even if plenty of buyers still prefer coupes or lifted SUVs. 

The RS5's more flowing, elegant lines match well with the Navarra Blue paint work, silver-accented wheels and conventional leather-appointed seats within. 

Both cars have effectively identical front cabins reflecting Audi’s classy and sleek design language. The integration of technology is pretty good and the RS4’s additional red styling pack really makes it feel sporty within.

The cabin offers plenty of space for passengers and you never feel like you're jostling for elbow room unless there's three adults across the rear seat. Comfort is high with ergonomic seating up front with plenty of adjustment and functions. The rear seat has long bases and the seat backs can recline.

Individual storage leaves a little to be desired for the class and the glove box shoulders most of the burden up front as the middle console is really just a shallow shelf large enough for a wireless charging pad and keys or a chapstick.

Each row gets a couple of cupholders and drink holders, and the rear map pockets round out back-seat storage.

Because of the PHEV powertrain, the 60 TFSIe quattro S line has the smallest boot capacity in the line-up at 505L but this is still more than enough for a decent road trip or grocery haul.

The wide boot aperture, level loading area and powered tailgate add some convenience, as does the 40/20/40 split fold on the rear seats.

Access for each row is solid with wide door openings, low seat positions and 205mm ground clearance. Although, the doors have to been slammed shut for them to close properly and this annoyed everyone in the family. You can spring for a soft-close door feature for $1500 and, honestly, it would be worth it.

The 10.1-inch touchscreen multimedia system is logically laid out and the graphics look great. It has haptic feedback which my husband didn’t love as it made it hard to select things on a bumpy road. You also get built-in sat nav, wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Other than the occasional lag with the CarPlay connecting upon start up, it's all simple enough to use.

Charging options are good with two USB-C ports in each row and the front also gets a wireless charging pad. The big 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster looks great but it can be annoying to find information on it or personalise it.

The RS4's cabin is excellent, with a good mix of physical buttons and responsive touchscreens for control. There’s enough storage space for this kind of vehicle, with good door bins and well-sized cupholders in the centre as well as USB-C and -A charge points. 

Audi’s multimedia system is friendly though the large touch targets and dark background aren’t as crisp as those fitted to the latest rivals. The screen isn't as big, either, measuring 10.1 inches for the multimedia item. The RS4 supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.

That said, Audi’s 12.3-inch digital driver’s display with bright and poppy mapping software and generous customisation remains right at the head of the pack. 

There is a panel of switches below the touchscreen for climate control, physical selection of the five-or-so drive modes and a collection of helpful buttons on the perfectly-shaped and sized leather-appointed steering wheel.

It lacks F1 or DTM wow-factor compared to the C63 and M3 with their easy-access driver mode buttons and toggles on the steering wheel but the RS4's restrained looks will resonate with those that prefer a bit more elegance inside. 

Neither the RS4 nor RS5's back seats are designed for those over about 175cm. The RS4’s roof is a little higher so it is good enough for most adults but the RS5’s sloping profile compromises things. It has two individual buckets compared to the RS4’s three-wide bench. 

Rear seat passengers get air vents, an individual climate zone, bottle holders in the doors, USB charge points and ISOFIX attachments for the outboard seats, with matching top tethers in the seat backs.

The Audi RS4’s boot is a generous 505L with under floor storage and a netted area on the driver’s side. Folding the 40/20/40 split-fold bench increases space to 1495L. That said, the RS5’s 465L is still very good, though it is not quite as practical in the real world. 

Being fitted with roof rails makes for sleek integration of roof racks for the RS4 to slip roof pods, bike racks or whatever else you might choose to take on a trip away.

You'd expect the RS5 to be more popular given how uncool wagons are these days but Audi's whole thing is wagons — or Avants, for the initiated — so it makes sense that the RS4 Avant outsells the RS5 Sportback about two-to-one.

For the RS4 Avant’s basic asking price of $165,015, before on-road costs, you get luxury features such as LED headlights, an RS design package, Nappa leather upholstery, power-adjust seats, a Bang & Olufsen 19-speaker sound system and metallic paint on top of the significant changes to the RS4’s chassis and zingy 331kW V6. 

The RS5 is a little dearer, reflecting the addition of Matrix LED headlights that aren’t available on the wagon.

But we have the 'Competition Plus Pack', which is a $13,990 indulgence that swaps adaptive dampers for Audi’s 'RS Sport Suspension' coil over package with manual rebound and compression adjustment and height adjustment.

The cars sit 10mm lower than a normal RS4 but you can go to a dealer to move the ride height up or down from there. 

That’s not it, though. You also get a louder exhaust system with matte black pipes, fixed-ratio steering system, a retuned eight-speed automatic with more aggressive shifts, different rear differential programming, black exterior badging, 2.0kg lighter 20-inch Audi Sport wheels (in silver or black), special LED entrance lights and your speed limiter raised to 290km/h.

The 'Navarra Blue' RS5 pictured is a ‘basic’ Competition Plus. You can go further, as done with the RS4 Avant with its manual-adjust bucket seats ($1300), 'Interior Design Pack' in red ($3400), matte carbon exterior pack ($6300) and carbon trim, bringing its total cost to $191,405, before on-road costs. 

That makes the RS4 and RS5 the most affordable in their competitor set, below a BMW M3 Competition xDrive Touring ($183,500) and Mercedes-AMG C63 S E Performance hybrid, which is $187,900, before on-road costs.

The Q8 60 TFSI e is AWD and has a 3.0-litre V6 turbo-petrol plug-in hybrid powertrain for a combined power output of 360kW and 700Nm of torque.

The power output has increased by 20kW with the mid-life refresh and that shaves 0.4 seconds off the 0-100km/h sprint time bringing it down to just 5.0 seconds. So it’s a quick and powerful SUV.

The powertrain is paired with an eight-speed automatic transmission which is mostly smooth and the switch between petrol and electric is fairly seamless.

As far as plug-in hybrids go, everything seems to work well here.

Audi’s 2.9-litre twin-turbo petrol V6 has seen plenty of use across performance products from Audi and Porsche, including the Macan S and Audi S6. 

In the RS4 and RS5 Competition Plus, it develops the same 331kW (at 5700-6700rpm) and 600Nm (at 1900-5000rpm) as the regular car. This makes it an extremely flexible engine that delivers predictable punch anywhere in the power band.

That said, it lacks the explosive character of BMW’s twin-turbo inline six — the figures are only 15kW and 50Nm higher on paper yet the M3’s response is that much more ferocious. 

Audi’s RS division has tried to capture a bit more emotion, retuning the eight-speed torque converter automatic transmission for crisper shifts. This also benefits the RS4’s 0-100km/h sprint time, which falls two tenths to 3.9 seconds in Competition Plus guise. 

The V6 breathes a little easier, too, with a different exhaust. Audi says the extra sound is down to 8.0kg less sound deadening in the car.

There’s more resonance at idle that does feel tiring sitting in traffic idling but the trade-off is a brawny mid-range baritone that develops into a shrill bark approaching the redline.

The mid-life update sees a larger 25.9kWh lithium-ion battery which improves the electric driving range by 27km, bringing it up to 74km overall. This still falls short of its direct rivals but it’s an improvement for efficiency because it’s now more than enough range if you’re just doing the school runs and some errands around town.

The Q8 60 TFSIe has a Type 2 charging port and like most plug-in hybrids, lacks a CCS enhancement, so you have to make do with AC charging options with this one. On a 7.4kW AC charging system you can go from 0-100 per cent in three hours and 45 minutes but if you’re using just a standard house plug port, it will take a few hours more. It's best to leave it overnight.

Audi throws in three charging cables, including a 240-volt domestic charger but you have to pay extra for a wall-mounted box.

The official combined fuel cycle is a low 1.8L/100km and like all plug-ins the best efficiency will be achieved if you charge it often. After charging almost every day and doing a mix of open road and urban driving, my real-world usage has popped out at 7.7L/100km, which isn’t as good as I was hoping but it’s not terrible. I would expect the efficiency to drop on longer trips.

The Q8 likes to drink the good stuff and Audi recommends a minimum 95 RON unleaded petrol to be used for this grade.

The Audi RS4 wagon is rated to use 9.5L/100km in ADR combined cycle (urban/extra-urban) consumption testing while the slipperier RS5 returns 9.4L/100km in the same test. 

We weren’t able to run accurate or particularly relevant fuel figures on the event but the trip computers showed around 12L/100km in both RS4 and RS5. 

While these numbers are high compared to your average passenger car, the Audi is more efficient than BMW's rivals, and gets remarkably close to the hybrid C63 in the real world.

The fuel tank is quite small for this kind of vehicle at 58 litres. That limits the RS4’s theoretical driving range to 611km. 

Unsurprisingly, the Audi RS4 and RS5 require 98 RON premium unleaded petrol. 

The Q8's athletic looks are matched by its on-road handling. The power has a hefty kick that’s effortlessly delivered once you’re up to speed. It did have a few confused moments when I had to accelerate quickly from a full stop - the lower gears didn’t immediately engage and I got a proper bunny hop but it was short lived and for the most part the powertrain delivers the goods.

The adaptive air suspension makes for a comfortable ride despite the massive wheels and you can comfortably cruise around town or the highway without much jostling.

Cabin noise is minimal around town but you get a low hum of road noise at higher speeds. Overall, it's still a refined cabin space to spend a lot of time in.

I do miss hearing some of the engine thrums though because even when the battery is depleted, you don’t get a lot of engine feedback. It certainly adds to the refinement but it loses some of the fun.

The higher driving position feels comfortable and visibility is quite good. Steering is responsive and feels sporty with lane changes but its 13.3m turning circle lets it down in car parks.

The 360-degree view camera system is clear and this has multiple parking sensors. In theory parking should be easy but again, until you get used to that bigger turning circle it can feel clumsy in smaller spaces.

The time allocated to driving the RS4 Avant Competition Plus was fairly limited and we were sadly unable to sample how the highly adjustable coil over suspension performed where it makes most sense — on the racetrack. 

Still, winding country roads between Sydney and the Southern Highlands served up some challenges, demonstrating how the Competition Plus pack changes the character of the RS4 and RS5. 

The only real negative is comfort, specifically over those horrible plastic speed bumps that litter shopping centre car parks. With adaptive dampers, carmakers can set programs for these kinds of obstacles to soften and stiffen the clever shocks at just the right time. Not so the Competition Plus pack cars, which ride these bumps harshly.

That about does it, though, and everything thing else is a net benefit. The steering system addresses some criticism of the earlier RS4s. Further than a retune, the Competition Plus gets a new rack, that is non-progressive with a fixed ratio of 15:1 (instead of 13.3:1) and 2.4 turns lock-to-lock. The reactions to each input feel a hint more faithful. 

When above 40km/h the coil overs come into their own. Even though the RS4 rides firmly it doesn’t constantly jiggle over small bumps. Over sharp-edged hits, the suspension rounds the hits off so, while you feel them, there’s a sense of control and sophistication. 

Having speed limits to contend with means it is essentially impossible to find the limits of grip of the 275/30R20 Continental SportContact 6 tyres on the road and there isn’t much body roll, either.

The RS4 is still rewarding, though, getting up on its toes just enough through a series of bends to feel engaging. It gives an impression of being quite light and at 1820kg it is now considered featherweight next to rivals.

The RS4's Quattro all-wheel drive system favours the rear wheels when driving normally (60 per cent rear) and can send up to 85 per cent of the drive to the back axle. 

The tweaked electronically-controlled rear limited-slip differential amplifies the throttle steer-ability of the RS4, giving you the confidence to squeeze the gas on exit. 

It helps that the Competition Plus bucket seats are a little thinner and set closer to the floor giving you more feedback. This is the key differentiator between the RS4 and RS5 we drove — the buckets make the car feel alive. 

Strong brakes are made up of 375mm front rotors clamped by six-piston calipers. Optional carbon ceramic brakes with larger 400mm front rotors help save 6.5kg and, if you plan to use the RS4 on track, are a smart buy along with a set of Pirelli P Zero Corsa semi slick tyres ($850). 

Really, though, neither the RS4 nor RS5 are the perfect car for the track. They are plenty capable and fast on the road with just enough fun, reward and character thrown in to keep you coming back for more.

The Audi A4 range was rated a maximum five stars in ANCAP safety testing in 2021, with the rating now considered expired. The stamp also only applied to four-cylinder models — so not the RS4 we drove. 

It has lots of safety equipment, including eight airbags (dual frontal, side chest, front and rear side head curtains), autonomous emergency braking (AEB) functional up to 250km/h with pedestrian detection, front and rear cross-traffic alert, lane-keep assist, blind-spot monitoring, safe exist warning and tyre pressure monitoring.

Adaptive cruise control with lane-trace assist makes it an easy car to use on the motorway. The systems are well integrated and easy to switch on and off as you like. 

Audi offers the Q8 60 TFSIe with a five-year/unlimited kilometre warranty and the battery is covered by an eight-year/160,000km warranty which are all pretty standard terms compared to its rivals.

There is a standard five-year servicing package that costs $3570 and servicing intervals are spaced at every 12 months or 15,000km, whichever occurs first. However, if you purchase the Audi Advantage Package you add a further two years of coverage to the warranty, roadside assistance and servicing, which is pretty good for the class.

Audi covers the RS4 and RS5 with a five-year/unlimited kilometre warranty which is now the expected norm across the premium part of the market. 

A five-year service plan can be pre-purchased, costing $3630 for both models with maintenance due annually or every 15,000km. 

After the five-year warranty period, owners can choose to extend the service packaging and warranty for two extra years at a cost of $4260. This can be done twice, extending the warranty up to nine years.