Subaru Forester vs Kia Carnival

What's the difference?

To many people, this review won’t matter. There’s a large part of Subaru’s customer base that come back knowing they’ll get a practical, capable car regardless of refinement - something the brand’s rivals can’t quite match.

But even those people will be pleased to find the new Forester is a huge step-up over the last one in many areas. Sure, it’s a little late for Subaru to be joining the hybrid game in 2025, but it’s not the only brand from Japan that’s been slow on that front, and the brand’s philosophy hasn’t always been focused on efficiency anyway.

In a vacuum, the new Forester is a great adventure companion, but anyone considering a mid-size family SUV and not requiring the AWD and clearance the Forester has on offer could do better elsewhere.

For anyone else, there’s still only one option that really ticks all the boxes - and now it’s much better than before.

Just get the petrol if you’re going anywhere that could damage a tyre.

Ok, here's the rub. Everything you just read could well be pointless. You like the Carnival. In fact, it sometimes makes up close to 90 per cent of the sales in its segment, and outsells all of its competitors combined.

So whether I like it or not, I suspect you'll be buying one anyway.

But I can say this - the new Carnival improves the formula right across the board. Well, everything except for price.

The new Forester is a slight departure from the characterful previous generation, and to this writer’s eye that’s to its detriment. It’s not unpleasant to look at, but it doesn’t look so much like a Forester anymore.

I wouldn’t be the first to say it looks like it had at least one pass through the North American Ford design centre, but even putting that aside, the rounded front is a less interesting design treatment than we’re used to seeing from Subaru.

Its side profile shows off its boxy, practical nature, however, and from the rear it looks much more Subaru-like than from the front.

In Sport guise, particularly, the Forester’s bronze trim and wheels are a decent give-away that the brand was going for a more premium look.

Inside, the Forester doesn’t look enormously different from the last generation, especially when it comes to buttons, shifters, and the big vertical 11.6-inch touchscreen, the latter right out of other Subaru models that have been around a while.

But perhaps that was deliberate, because some of the new Forester’s best features are those that follow the notion of ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’.

Surely the greatest trick the Carnival pulls off, and it does so convincingly, is that it manages to make something so quintessentially uncool, the people-mover, and make it look good. Somehow sporty, even.

I like the Carnival's big, bold and blacked-out front end of the GT-Line, and with its two-tone 19-inch alloys, wide stance and low ride height, it looks almost like some mad attempt at a JDM tune car, rather than a sensible people mover.

Elsewhere, the boxy profile, the sharp body creases and the third-row compartment that kind of juts over the rear tyres like a house that's been extended all somehow work, and give the Carnival far more street cred than you might expect.

Inside, we spent time only in the flagship GT-Line and its GT-Line Lite sibling, and both present as calming, comfortable spaces, and Kia's minimalist approach to combining the climate and audio controls into a single strip (it's functionality can be changed by pushing a button) helps keep the cabin fuss free.

The tech in the top-spec models feels modern and on-point, too, and the materials are all nice under the touch. Be warned though, the cabin plastics get progressively worse the further back you sit, and the third row is cocooned by hard and scratchy plastics.

Perhaps the best selling point for the new Forester is that it hasn’t changed a whole lot inside. It’s spacious for its class and has physical buttons for a lot of things, while making sure the key controls like climate are always accessible on the touchscreen without needing to navigate through menus.

The steering wheel and gearshift look familiar and the general layout of the Forester seems to follow the brand’s established pattern of convenience over anything that could be annoying or complicated.

The software on the big screen is the same as any recent Subaru SUV with big buttons and a simple menu structure that means you rarely get lost. It’s not cutting-edge, but it works, much like a lot of the elements of this car.

The seats are comfortable and the seating position and steering wheel adjustment work well regardless of grade.

One element of the interior that works particularly well is visibility. Subaru made the headrest a little narrower to assist with shoulder checks and make looking over to the back seat easier. The result is a clear view, not only of the interior but also through those annoying side angles your wing mirrors might miss.

The back seat is also plenty spacious, with ample knee, foot and hip room in the second row’s outboard seats. Head and shoulder space is also fab. There’s little risk of feeling cramped in the back, even for a proper adult, especially if there’s a sunroof for that extra light.

Behind the second row, there’s 496 litres of boot space in non-hybrids, and 484L in hybrid variants, plus a switch in the boot to drop the second row from the tailgate.

That allows for 1174L and 1162L in petrol and hybrid models, respectively, though a big downside for the hybrid models is the lack of spare wheel, just a repair kit.

No spare tyre in a car you expect to be able to take off-road isn’t good enough, and it’s the key reason the Forester doesn’t score a full 10 for interior practicality. A shame, because the rest of the cabin is built for ease.

The Carnival measures 5115mm in length, 1995mm in width and 1775mm in height, and it rides on a sizeable 3092mm wheelbase. 

And those mini-van dimensions have a predictably positive impact on luggage space, with room growing from 627 litres with all seating rows in place, to a massive 2827 litres with the third row stowed.

The key practicality perk here, though, is space, and lots of it. At 175cm, there was ample room for me in the middle row, and you can configure the cabin to your liking, too. You can slide the row on rails, for example, to prioritise leg room where you need it, and the middle seat folds down to reveal cupholders in a kind of hard plastic travel tray.

But even in the third row I could easily get comfortable, though head room begins to get a little tighter. There are cupholders and USB connection points, too, and I can honestly say you could send full-size humans back there and not feel overly guilty about it.

The Carnival will tow 2000kgs braked, too.

Bad news first. The price is higher this time around, right across the five-trim line-up, with the prices up between around $2600 and $5300, depending on which trim level you’re shopping for.

Prices start at $50,150 for the entry-level S petrol, and climb to $72,910 for the top-spec GT-Line diesel. There’s also a GT-Line Hybrid, which tops the group at $76,210, but it’s not here yet, so we’ll cross that electrified bridge when we get to it and stick with the ICE range for now.

The range opens with the S ($50,150 petrol, $52,380 diesel), which scores 17-inch alloys, LED headlights and DRLs, heated mirrors, cloth seats, an electronic parking brake, and a smart key with push-button start, which is new for this update.

On the tech front, there is a new integrated 4.0-inch driver display, and a new 12.3-inch central screen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, linking with an eight-speaker sound system, now with a surround-sound function.

Stepping up to the Sport ($56,050 petrol, $58,280 diesel) adds 18-inch alloys, rear LED combination lamps, a leather steering wheel and shifter, and dual-zone climate up front with single-zone temperature control in the second row. New for this update is a wireless charging pad and artificial leather seats. 

Next is the Sport+ ($62,380 petrol, $64,610 diesel), which gets a whole host of new safety equipment, which we will come back to in a moment, along with a powered tailgate, automatic sliding doors and auto windows, and heated seats in the first and second rows. It also ups the tech, with twin 12.3-inch screens taking care of multimedia and driving info duties.

Then comes the GT-Line Lite ($66,350 petrol, $68,580 diesel), which is fitted with bigger 19-inch alloy wheels, scores LED interior lighting, gets a dual-pane auto sunroof and some chrome embellishments on the exterior. The trade-off, though is that the powered windows are now for the driver only, as is the powered front seat.

Finally, there’s the flagship GT-Line ($70,680 petrol, $72,910 diesel), which nabs dual-projection headlights, a heated steering wheel, a 12-speaker BOSE sound system, ventilated seats up front, a big head-up display and a digital rear-view mirror, along with a slightly better interior treatment and the return of the auto window and powered seat to the passenger side of the car.

Both Forester drivetrains use the brand’s existing all-wheel drive tech and a continuously-variable transmission, but the hybrid does something Subaru is keen to point out its rivals’ don’t.

The petrol version is powered by a (136kW/247Nm) 2.5-litre naturally aspirated flat-four ‘boxer’ engine that's largely unchanged.

The hybrid consists of the same type of engine with different valve controls and lower outputs of 121kW/212Nm. 

The key part is it’s assisted by a 90kW electric motor that, rather than being mounted to the rear axle and engaging when traction is needed, is placed before the transmission and sends electric power to all four wheels. Total outputs for the Hybrid variants are 145kW and 276Nm.

There are two ICE options on the table here. The first is what I reckon is the lesser of the two, a 3.5-litre petrol V6, producing a rev-happy 216kW and 355Nm.

The better option, I think, is the 2.2-litre, four-cylinder diesel, which makes 148kW and 440Nm, and just suits the nature of the car a little better.

Both pair with an eight-speed automatic, and send their power to the front tyres.

Subaru claims the Forester drinks 7.9L of petrol (minimum 91 RON) per 100km or 6.2L/100km in hybrid guise.

The latter's a bit of a let-down given Toyota’s RAV4 hybrid in AWD guise comes with a 4.8L/100km claim and that system's been around for ages.

Both Foresters have a 63-litre fuel tank, so could theoretically travel a maximum 797km (petrol) or 1016km (hybrid). 

Don’t expect to manage that in real-world driving, though. The trip computer reading for the last car I drove on test (a hybrid) was 7.8L/100km after a mix of highway and off-road running.

The petrol engine will sip a claimed 9.6 litres per hundred kilometres on the combined cycle, and produce 220g per kilometre of C02. The diesel lowers both those numbers, to 6.5 litres and 170 grams.

Both models are fitted with a 72-litre fuel tank, which means you’ll be sailing well north of $100 to fill one up.

On paper, the new Forester hasn’t changed to a great degree. With that engine and the late-ish introduction of a proper hybrid system, you might expect the Forester to be undercooked. 

Sure, Subaru is playing catch-up and it would be a fair to say adding a hybrid grade to its mid-size SUV in 2025 puts it behind the curve, but Subaru is leaning into its niche.

Subaru’s very happy about being able to claim the Forester is the only hybrid mid-size SUV on sale where the one hybrid motor drives all four wheels mechanically thanks to its 'symmetrical' all-wheel drive system. Then there’s the "class-leading" 220mm of ground clearance.

But as well as being capable off the road, the Forester needs to be a decent day-to-day companion. Fortunately, it’s both.

The new Forester’s road manners are a surprising step-up over the previous generation’s, which felt soft and agricultural at times.

Subaru touted the new car's incremental improvements, but behind the wheel it feels like they add up to a far superior experience. The Forester is still a little noisy - mainly wind and road noise - but many of the elements that were once a let-down are much more refined.

The CVT doesn't complain so much when called upon to pick up the pace, and the steering feels much sharper. The former could be down to a huge increase in sound-shielding, the latter likely due to Subaru’s use of the dual-pinion steering system borrowed from the WRX.

Subaru says it “reduces mechanical resistance and eliminates unwanted feedback from the motor”. It seems to have done exactly that.

Perhaps most noticeable is the suspension, which feels more tied-down and stable than before, without sharpening up too much and becoming uncomfortable. Subaru says revised spring rates, better under-body aero and a more rigid chassis all contribute.

The hybrid and petrol have different suspension set-ups, the latter feeling softer in terms of damper response but still far more confidence-inspiring than the previous-gen Forester.

It all comes together to create a driving experience that’s easy and comfortable at traffic speeds and fun and engaging at high speeds on, for example, the smooth winding back-roads of New Zealand’s South Island.

The problem for Subaru is that despite having introduced a new hybrid system, the petrol-only Forester is just as good from behind the wheel. The advantages the hybrid brings in terms of efficiency will be a draw for some, but in terms of driving dynamics the extra power and torque on offer is probably not worth the extra outlay.

Then there’s the lack of a spare wheel… which should be a requirement when you’re off sealed roads. The gravel and mud of the Canterbury region didn’t faze the Forester, though, and we put the mid-size SUV through its paces harder than most owners realistically would.

Deep mud ruts, creek crossings and jagged rocky trails were all traversed easily and comfortably, especially considering the standard road tyres fitted. 

None of the test cars were stuck due to either negligent road testers or lack of mechanical ability on the Subaru’s part, though two cars on test did succumb to an excess of water in the engine bay and went into a safety shut-down mode once we arrived back at the end of the off-road trail.

We asked Subaru for an explanation and we were told it’s a feature that saves components like the cooling fan from water damage.

“Two vehicles experienced this due to the nose being submerged from entering the water crossing at the incorrect speed and/or entry line… if water enters the engine bay at a sufficient level, a protective fuse is designed to engage to safeguard the radiator fan motor.

“This system functioned exactly as designed. Despite this, the vehicle continued to perform as intended, enabling the driver to complete the off-road course and return safely to the Homestead. 

“After cycling the ignition, a warning light alerted the driver, and the engine shut down automatically to prevent any potential damage. This sequence is outlined in the Owner’s Manual. This is a built-in protection protocol and not a fault.”

A replacement fuse meant one of the vehicles “resumed full operation,” a Subaru spokesperson added.

Forgive the horrific paraphrasing, but it seems rumours of the death of diesel have been greatly exaggerated, at least when it comes to the Kia Carnival.

Get this – diesel sales make up some 90 per cent of the Carnival's total haul, with petrol providing a pittance towards the sales total, presumably being picked up by fleet buyers.

And to be honest, that means nine out of 10 people are making the right choice here. Yes, the petrol makes more power, but it's the torque on offer from the diesel that makes pushing the Carnival around feel far more effortless.

The petrol engine can definitely get you moving, but it feels a bit too rev-happy and thrashy when you really put your foot down, and its significantly thirstier to boot.

The diesel isn't perfect – the thrum of the engine is a constant companion whenever you put your foot down, and there's actually too much torque on offer at times, like if you're accelerating up hill from a standstill on a damp road, and so the front tyres can scrabble and scramble for grip.

But it otherwise so perfectly suits the nature of the Carnival that it is definitely the best and most satisfying choice.

Another big change for this update is the fact that Kia's complete ride and handling program has been rolled out here. Kia says local work done on the outgoing car, the one this replaces, was curtailed by Covid and bushfires, and so ended up being done by correspondence.

This one, though, has had the whole enchilada thrown at it, and it shows. They've succeeded in making a bigger car feel smaller around you. It's not a sports car by any measure, but nor does it ever feel too big and unwieldily.

Part of that is down to the steering, which is direct and confidence inspiring, but mostly I suspect it's because of the ride, which is firmer than you might expect in a family hauler, but also offers a connection to that road below that makes you feel in control.

Whether a firm-ish ride is a perk or negative is up to you, but it definitely works for me.

Part of the change package for this updated Carnival is in its safety kit, some of which simply wasn’t available when Kia launched its predecessor.

Which is why every model now gets a centre side airbag, 'Forward Collision Assist AEB', 'Rear Occupant Alert', 'Trailer Stability Assist' and front parking sensors, joining the rear ones that were already there.

Sport+ Models and up now add a 'Blind Spot View Monitor' and rain-sensing wipers, as well as rear AEB through the 'Parking Collision Avoidance' function.

I have to say, though, when your entry-level car is $50k-plus, there’s no real excuse for limiting the best safety kit to the upper-spec models.

Also standard are lane keep assist, with 'Lane Follow Assist', multi-collision braking, a speed-limit warning (which you will turn off) and a reversing camera.

The Carnival range carries a five-star ANCAP safety rating, which it earned in 2021.

Subaru‘s five-year, unlimited kilometre warranty is behind the curve for mainstream brands with many offering between seven and 10 years, but its eight-year/160,000 kilometre hybrid high-voltage battery warranty is par for the course.

Servicing intervals are every 15,000km or 12 months, with servicing pricing locked in for the first 75,000km or 60 months of ownership. Total cost over this time is $2299 for either drivetrain, with the cheapest service being $347.95 and the most expensive $679.30 (at 60,000km or 48 months).

Subaru also offers 12-months complimentary roadside assistance.

Like all Kias, the Carnival arrives with a seven-year, unlimited-kilometre warranty, with capped-price servicing throughout.

Kia’s servicing costs are higher than some of its competitors, though, so you might want to compare them, as well as compare what’s included, and the diesel model will usually cost slightly more to maintain than the petrol version.

Service intervals are every 12 months or 15,000kms, and while the brand is still finalising the petrol servicing costs, the diesel prices are $386, $682, $480, $869, $434, $845 and $461, covering the first seven years of ownership.