Audi S8 vs Lexus Lm350H

What's the difference?

The S8's existence is a source of joy for me because it's not a huge SUV. Yes, it's a huge sedan but it's a reminder that the technological flagship is alive and well, at least in Germany. And the important thing about these cars is the way the toys filter down through the rest of the range. That used to take years but we're seeing this cool stuff a lot more quickly, right down to the A1.

The S8 punches, and punches hard in this rarefied part of an already shrunken section of the market - the twin-turbo V8 matches its German rivals, it's lighter and it's as well-stacked as any of the three. What it doesn't do, however, is shout about itself the way the other two do.  It's the incognito choice.

The Lexus LM is going to be a niche model. This was not designed to appeal to people that may have bought a Toyota Tarago back in the day, or even a Kia Carnival now.

It has a specific purpose for ferrying people around in absolute comfort and at that, it succeeds in a big way.

It’s just a bonus that it’s great to drive.

Welcome to the automotive equivalent of a business class airline suite.

Note: CarsGuide attended this event as a guest of the manufacturer, with accommodation and meals provided.

The sheetmetal is obviously very restrained given it's an Audi first, and secondly, it's just not done to go wild in this part of the market.

It's an A6 that's joined a gym, but didn't join that weird gym with men that can't run after you when you insult them (don't ask how I know this). Rolling on 21-inch wheels as standard, you can go up to massive 22s if you so choose.

The A8 created a subtle redirection of Audi's passenger car look, with the updated A4 and A6 both picking up on the horizontal bar between the rear lights and the huge grille framed by family lights with signature DRL patterns. The S8 builds on that with subtle S cues but nothing even vaguely shouty.

The interior acreage - or 'cabin', if you will - is very comfortable, but you already knew that. The multi-screen layout was first seen in the A8 and has now found its way into A7, Q8 and Q7 and is, as ever, brilliant to look at and use.

The MMI updates that have found their way into other cars are present and correct. Like the exterior, it's very restrained but not to the point of sparse minimalism, despite the lack of switches and buttons.

I really don't like the steering wheel, though, and I can't put my finger on why. It certainly isn't especially sporty-looking but I wonder if the standard flat-bottomed S wheel just looked stupid.

The materials are beautiful and everything fits together perfectly.

Look, people movers are not considered the sexiest of automotive body styles, but that’s changing.

The Kia Carnival and Hyundai Staria are examples of good MPV design.

And the Lexus LM steps it up again. 

It is based on Toyota’s TNGA-K architecture that underpins a bunch of Toyota and Lexus models, including the Lexus RX, and it measures a whopping 5.1 metres long and has a three-metre wheelbase.

It shares its underpinnings with the latest generation Japanese-market Toyota Alphard, which is a cult hit in Australia among the grey import set.

The front-end design is bold, with the latest take on Lexus’ big ‘spindle grille’, pinched slimline headlights and a stubby nose. 

I am a big fan of this design. It is far more than a box on wheels and it has quite a bit of presence. 

The interior design up front is modern Lexus, with a few familiar Toyota touches, and while it’s not exactly minimal, it’s still visually appealing.

The cabin is clearly built with rear seat passengers in mind, with rear leg and headroom configured for those continent-crossing drives.

The S8 has plenty of comfort for two rear seat passengers and a few amusing options to while away the hours in traffic or on the autobahn.

That doesn't mean the front seat passengers are in purgatory, with huge but supportive seats adjustable in all conceivable directions.

Front and rear rows score a pair of cupholders and bottle holders while the boot is a handy, if not awe-inspiring, 505 litres.

While most of the fun happens in the second row of the Lexus LM, there is a lot to like in the front compartment.

The dash is dominated by a large touchscreen that houses Lexus’ latest multimedia setup. The logical menu and uncomplicated sub-menus ensure this is an easy system to navigate. Speaking of, the in-built sat-nav is one of the better systems I have experienced. 

Comfort isn’t just the domain of the second row - the driver’s seat is very supportive and comfortable, with power adjustment.

There’s plenty of glass including a smaller front quarter window that helps eliminate front blind spots, so forward visibility is exceptional. Rearward visibility is aided by the digital rear-view mirror that is designed to ensure privacy for second and third-row occupants. You don’t want the chauffeur spying on you while you’re sleeping, do you?

The other big tick for me is the driving position. Other people movers, namely the Hyundai Staria and Mercedes-Benz EQV, have very low window lines and it leaves you with a feeling of sitting on the car, rather than in it. I am sure it helps with extra light and it probably makes it easier for kids to see out of, but from a driving perspective, I find it a little disconcerting.

But the LM has flipped that. The front compartment is designed in such a way that it feels like a cockpit that you’re ensconced in. This helps the driver feel more connected with the car, and in the LM it feels like you’re sitting in the driver’s seat of a sporty sedan, not a five-metre bus. Very well done, Lexus.

And now to the main event - the second row.

Where to begin. Let’s start with space. Because there is so much of it. Unsurprisingly given the seating layout, there is an unending amount of head, leg, knee, bum, shoulder and whatever-else room. I can’t imagine anyone complaining about space back there.

Also, getting in and out is a breeze thanks to the sliding power doors on both sides. These can be opened from the front seat, and via several buttons in the rear.

Those captain’s seats are plush. Not quite Benz S-Class plush, but still.

They are adjustable six ways - power adjustable, of course - and they’re heated and ventilated. They recline almost flat, too, if you need a nap on the way to the country estate. And while you do that you can look up through the split sunroof, or close the shade a number of ways.

Is there a massage function? Of course there is a massage function. And it’s not bad. You can choose two settings - weak and firm.

Adding to the feeling of a business class airline seat, there is a fold-out table in the armrest, although it’s a smallish one. And there is dual-zone climate control in the rear.

There is a roof-mounted control panel for things like climate, sunshades and sunroof blinds, but much of this can also be controlled by the Apple iPhone-like devices clipped into both rear seats. These are closer to the seats, so it is easier to access than the roof.

Another function in the device is the Climate Concierge that features different modes - Dream, Relax, Focus, Energise. Depending on which one you choose, it alters the seat settings, massage, climate and lights to suit.

I love the massively wide side windows that are tinted (or privacy glass), too.

Other amenities include map pockets, knee and roof-mounted air vents and a 14.0-inch display screen that retracts from the roof and connects to an HDMI cable, allowing you to watch whatever you want.

The third row is not as appealing as the second. It is technically a three-person row, but the width and the fact that it has a sizeable gap in the centre suggests that this is best thought of as a six-seater van.

The seats are not as plush of course, so you might not want to spend too much time in that row unless you are a small child. But you do get USB-C ports, cupholders, air vents, lights, sunglasses holder, power side shades and grab handles.

Getting in and out of the third row can take a while. It’s all power adjustable, so you don’t have to lift anything heavy - but it takes a while for the second row seats to move forward and up.

With all seats in place the cargo space is limited. In fact, it’s just 110 litres.

That’s similar to what you get in a seven-seat SUV. But it did fit all our overnight luggage easily.

Drop the rear row and that expands to a maximum of 1191 litres in the 350h or 752 litres in the 500h.

All grades have a space-saver spare wheel.

From launch there will be two versions of the LM350h Sports Luxury on offer - front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive, priced from $160,888 and $165,888 before on-road costs respectively.

They both have seven seats across three rows and share the same four-cylinder hybrid powertrain, but an even more high-end version is on the horizon.

The LM500h will land in January 2024, priced from $220,888, and it adopts a newer more powerful hybrid powertrain. Something else that sets the LM500h apart is the seating layout - it is a four-seater. Behind the driver and front passenger compartment are two big captain’s chairs that recline flat if required. Decadent luxury. Or so the pictures suggest. We will have to wait until the New Year to sink into the sumptuous seats.

Given the positioning and interior layout, the LM will probably not appeal to people looking at a Kia Carnival, or who would have opted for the departed Toyota Tarago. It will, however, appeal to large families that aren’t short of a dollar, airport limo operators, and even as tourist transport.

Thankfully, there’s a substantial amount of standard gear fitted as standard in the LM.

The only difference in spec between the two 350h grades is the addition of all-wheel drive. Otherwise you’ll find keyless entry and start, front heated seats, automatic retractable side steps, power opening side doors, rear privacy glass, a pair of sunroofs, and semi-aniline or L-aniline upholstery.

Tech-wise, there is a digital rearview mirror, and a 14.0-inch touchscreen, a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster, a head-up display, seven USB ports, a smartphone charger and a rear 14.0-inch multimedia display.

The 500h adds niceties like a separation partition with elevating and dimmable glass, that doubles as a 48.0-inch widescreen display to watch films and TV, or take conference calls with. It also gets two partition glove boxes, a pair of umbrella holders, two second-row phone chargers, a 23-speaker Mark Levinson 3D audio system and more.

In terms of rivals, there really aren’t many other luxury people movers on the market. Aside from the Mercedes-Benz V-Class and all-electric EQV, there are higher-grade versions of the Volkswagen Multivan, and the LDV Mifa 9 EV.

Under that long bonnet is a 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 pumping out 420kW and a diesel-like 800Nm of torque. 

That's a lot, even for this big bruiser. Obviously, being an Audi S-car, it has quattro all-wheel drive, which is fed by an eight-speed ZF automatic. Which is in everything now. Well, just about.

That huge torque figure is available between 2000rpm and 4500rpm while peak power arrives at 6000rpm. The 0-100km/h sprint is despatched in - gulp - 3.8 seconds.

As it's riding on the MLB platform, the mild hybrid system is a 48-volt set-up. A lithium-ion battery in the boot takes charge from the belt alternator/starter, which means the S8 can coast at higher speeds with the engine off and also cut out at 22km/h and under in traffic.

The system can also add up to 60Nm of torque in the right conditions for up to six seconds, and if it happened for me, I didn't notice it.

There are two hybrid powertrains available. Coming next year, the LM500h combines a 2.4-litre turbocharged petrol engine and a hybrid setup, making for power and torque of 202kW and 460Nm respectively. It is all-wheel drive and is paired with a six-speed automatic transmission.

The LM350h comes with a 2.5-litre naturally aspirated petrol engine and a parallel hybrid system, offering up a total system output of 140kW and 239Nm. The 350h comes in front or all-wheel-drive guise and uses a continuously variable transmission (CVT).

The 10.5L/100km official figure is, shall we say, optimistic. The launch drive was mostly highway so there's no real information to be gleaned from that, so we'll have to wait for real world fuel figures.

I'd say 12-13L/100km is achievable if you don't like having fun, in which case, the lesser A8 is probably for you.

Audi says the MHEV system saves 0.8L/100km with an early cut-out for the stop-start and the ability to coast on the highway for over half a minute at a time.

As you’d hope with an all-hybrid line-up, the LM excels when it comes to combined cycle fuel efficiency. The 350h FWD sips just 5.5 litres per 100 kilometres, while the AWD version is 5.6L/100km. The 500h is a little thirstier at 6.6L. 

Our drive was so brief we did not get to record an on-test fuel figure.

The theoretical range of the LM, considering the 60-litre fuel tank and 5.5L/100km (350h) and 6.6L/100km (500h) fuel consumption figures is about 1000km.

Driving any of the cars in this segment is a rare treat, whether it's the 'entry level' diesel or this top of the heap sports sedan. My day with the S8 was filled with the usual surprise and delight that only these tech-packed cars can deliver.

Heading out of the Sydney CBD in 'Comfort' mode, the car scans the road ahead and adjusts the active suspension accordingly. You already know it has active suspension because when you pull the door handle, the car lifts by 50mm to make it a bit easier to get in.

The suspension's party trick is flat-topped speed bumps - drive at one, brake a little and sense the way the body feels like it stays exactly where it is in the air but the suspension almost completely flattens the speed hump.

It's uncanny and almost unnatural, with just the tiniest change in altitude and no noise from the suspension.

It also manages the terrible narrow lanes of CBD thoroughfares with ease, the lane keep system letting you know if you're straying.

On to the motorway and you get a feel for its crushing performance. You won't hear much, though - the stereo's noise-cancelling system shuts out almost all tyre noise and consistent wind noise is largely banished, too.

I'm going to admit I gasped when I found some corners. Active suspension bodes well for the tricky stuff, as does the all-wheel steering. Both are exceptionally clever systems for making the car feel a lot smaller in town and in car parks but they're also really good if you want some fun.

But the way the rear-wheel steer adds agility to such a big car is hilarious and clever. While you can't quite chuck it around - and really, you're not buying an A8-sized car for that kind of nonsense - brisk progress is far from intimidating.

Now, obviously, a Ford Fiesta would drive away from the S8 in the really tight stuff but it would take some time to properly shake it. The colossal torque from the V8 hurls even this two-tonne-plus limo out of the corners in a most satisfactory manner.

It's surprisingly agile for a machine more than five metres long and two metres wide. If your passengers are corner enthusiasts, you'll all be having fun in near silence. It's oddly engaging to be moving at pace in such a hushed cabin.

As mentioned earlier, I spent much more time in the second row as a passenger than I did behind the wheel of the LM350h. But it was enough time to capture some initial high-level drive impressions.

But let’s start in the rear. The ride in the second row is comfortable - as you’d hope. Our trek from Melbourne’s inner north down to the Mornington Peninsula included a lot of freeway, which was smooth. The only thing that disturbed the peace was a chunky bridge join that caused a bit of a thump. But we were hardly disturbed. 

Back in the driver’s seat, there’s a lot to like about how the LM350h drives. First of all, it feels smaller on the road than its ample dimensions would otherwise suggest. It even feels relatively light on the road. 

After the LM, I drove a Mercedes-Benz EQE SUV that has a similar kerb weight (the Lexus is about 2.4 tonnes), and the LM felt lighter.  

The hybrid powertrain is responsive enough, offering decent acceleration from a standing start. The more potent 500h will of course be quicker.

The transition from electric to petrol propulsion is pretty smooth in Lexus (and Toyota) models these days, and the additional noise-deadening materials in the LM ensure it’s subtle.

The 2.5-litre petrol engine is really only noticeable when accelerating hard, and the CVT a slight drone, but it’s in no way unpleasant. 

Otherwise it’s a superbly refined and quiet cabin on all but the absolute worst road surfaces. Whisper quiet power windows adds to that feeling of luxurious refinement.

Given the brief time behind the wheel, we didn’t get to test the handling capability of the LM, so that might have to wait for a review in the New Year. 

The steering is heavily weighted and doesn’t feel overly responsive, but it’s perfectly suited to this sort of vehicle.

That supple ride we experienced in the rear was also evident behind the wheel.

This was especially impressive on a couple of pock-marked peninsular back roads. The ride is also much more compliant than the Mercedes-Benz EQV I tested early in 2023.

The LM is yet to be crash tested by ANCAP, and it is unclear if it will be given the fact that it’s a niche model. However, as with other current Lexus models, it has a long list of standard safety gear.

The safety suite, including intersection assist, and a pre-collision system with vehicle, pedestrian, bicyclist and daytime motorcyclist detection.

It also comes with emergency steering assist, full-speed radar cruise control, ‘Curve Speed Reduction’, ‘Lane Trace Assist’ with lane-departure alert, automatic high beam, ‘Road-Sign Assist’ (speed signs only), ‘Emergency Driver Stop System’, a blind-spot monitor and rear cross-traffic alert.

Audi continues to fail to match Mercedes move to a five year warranty, sticking with three year/unlimited kilometre cover. BMW is still doing it too, so maybe Ingolstadt and Munich are playing chicken. 

You can get a five-year service plan for the S8, coming out at $3990 for the duration.

When you buy a Lexus, you get a bit more than a car. The brand has a customer loyalty program - Lexus Encore - and depending on what model you buy, you are eligible for some pretty cool discounts, bonuses and experiences. 

There are three tiers, depending on your model. UX, NX, RX and ES fall under regular Encore, and electric models the RZ and UX300e sit beneath Electrified Benefits. But the LM, as well as the LS, LC and LX are under Encore Platinum - the top tier. 

That means access to the ‘On Demand’ program that allows access to another Lexus model for a few days or longer. So if you own an LC Convertible but need an RX for a few days to ferry people around, that’s all free. There’s valet parking service loans and more.

It also includes upgrades at Lexus partners. Our launch took us to Jackalope Hotel on the Mornington Peninsula, which is a Lexus partner, and you can get a bunch of extras here as a Lexus owner that other guests won’t get.

In terms of other ownership details, the LM is covered by a five-year, unlimited-kilometre warranty, and the servicing schedule is every 12 months or 15,000km.

Lexus is yet to announce the capped-price servicing details for LM, but it is expected to cover five years, and should be in the vicinity of approximately $700 per service.