Audi S8 vs Kgm Torres

What's the difference?

The S8's existence is a source of joy for me because it's not a huge SUV. Yes, it's a huge sedan but it's a reminder that the technological flagship is alive and well, at least in Germany. And the important thing about these cars is the way the toys filter down through the rest of the range. That used to take years but we're seeing this cool stuff a lot more quickly, right down to the A1.

The S8 punches, and punches hard in this rarefied part of an already shrunken section of the market - the twin-turbo V8 matches its German rivals, it's lighter and it's as well-stacked as any of the three. What it doesn't do, however, is shout about itself the way the other two do.  It's the incognito choice.

The KGM Torres Hybrid represents yet another choice for buyers in the family SUV segment, as if there aren’t already enough! But the Torres offers a level of value its mainstream competitors can’t match. The hybrid powertrain is a winner, however KGM needs to iron out a few issues, like tyre choice and the advanced driver assist tech. But there is a lot to like about the Torres Hybrid. And it’s definitely the pick over the pure petrol version.

The sheetmetal is obviously very restrained given it's an Audi first, and secondly, it's just not done to go wild in this part of the market.

It's an A6 that's joined a gym, but didn't join that weird gym with men that can't run after you when you insult them (don't ask how I know this). Rolling on 21-inch wheels as standard, you can go up to massive 22s if you so choose.

The A8 created a subtle redirection of Audi's passenger car look, with the updated A4 and A6 both picking up on the horizontal bar between the rear lights and the huge grille framed by family lights with signature DRL patterns. The S8 builds on that with subtle S cues but nothing even vaguely shouty.

The interior acreage - or 'cabin', if you will - is very comfortable, but you already knew that. The multi-screen layout was first seen in the A8 and has now found its way into A7, Q8 and Q7 and is, as ever, brilliant to look at and use.

The MMI updates that have found their way into other cars are present and correct. Like the exterior, it's very restrained but not to the point of sparse minimalism, despite the lack of switches and buttons.

I really don't like the steering wheel, though, and I can't put my finger on why. It certainly isn't especially sporty-looking but I wonder if the standard flat-bottomed S wheel just looked stupid.

The materials are beautiful and everything fits together perfectly.

What a curious thing the KGM Torres is. It has typical medium SUV proportions but with over-the-top styling designed to give the impression of a rugged off-roader. But this is no off-roader.

It has a Jeep-like slotted grille, faux winch hook in the lower grille, squared-off wheel arches, a boxy shape and weird grab mounts on the bonnet that serve no discernible purpose.

It also has what appears to be a rear-mounted spare wheel with a side-opening tailgate. But it’s all an illusion. It’s just a chunky addition to the tailgate which opens upwards, like a regular SUV boot.

If you discount the fake 4x4 bits, the Torres is quite a handsome SUV, especially from the front. The grille surrounded by cool integrated LED headlights makes for a nice front end. 

The tail-lights sit a little low at the rear, and the pointlessly massive C-pillar is a bit much. But there are some appealing elements.

Inside, there’s a bit of a nod to fellow Korean brands Hyundai and Kia with the dual 12.3-inch multimedia and driver display screens. 

There are no buttons to be found on the console and centre stack so it’s a clean look. The screens and air vents are angled towards the driver, too.

Bronze is a feature throughout and it breaks up the dash nicely, as does the ambient lighting. Matching stitching is a lovely visual touch on the nicely patterned cloth seats.

It doesn’t look or feel like a base model. It definitely feels a step up from the Korando and the Musso in KGM’s stable, as well as some rivals.

The cabin is clearly built with rear seat passengers in mind, with rear leg and headroom configured for those continent-crossing drives.

The S8 has plenty of comfort for two rear seat passengers and a few amusing options to while away the hours in traffic or on the autobahn.

That doesn't mean the front seat passengers are in purgatory, with huge but supportive seats adjustable in all conceivable directions.

Front and rear rows score a pair of cupholders and bottle holders while the boot is a handy, if not awe-inspiring, 505 litres.

The KGM Torres Hybrid sits at the smaller end of the medium SUV set, but it still offers decent levels of space throughout, especially when it comes to headroom.

Storage is something KGM gets right with the Torres. The centre console has an armrest with large under-lid storage. There are a couple of good sized cupholders and a small slot for the phone to sit in, however it’s not super deep so it’s better for keys.

Further under the console is a large tray and two USB-C ports, plus another smaller shelf just above. There’s heaps of space in the doors for two bottles, plus additional space. And the glove box can hold the vehicle manual.

When it comes to in-car tech it’s a bit of a mixed bag. The multimedia screen takes way too long to boot up, especially when it’s hot. Which is not great because you need the screen to crank the air-con as most vehicle functions are housed in the screen. That display delay also frustrates if you want to reverse immediately after turning the car on, meaning sometimes there’s no camera display for a few seconds. It’s just not good enough by today’s standards.

The system is fine in terms of navigation and menus but not super intuitive. Swipe down for drive modes ('Comfort', 'Sport' and 'Eco'), plus some quick access options. You can always swipe down even when Apple CarPlay is active.

You can also hit the fan from left of screen to open the air con settings.

As mentioned, there’s no digital radio and no wireless Apple CarPlay. Also no wireless charger in the K30. Having to use a cord can be a pain but at least it means flawless CarPlay connection and a properly charged phone - something most charging pads fail to achieve.

The digital Instrument cluster is clear enough, but there is no head-up display.

Steering wheel controls are clearly labeled on the lovely looking thin-rimmed, four-spoke wheel.

In the back seat you’ll find ample leg, knee and toe room. There’s plenty of space behind my 183cm driving position. The rear bench is flat so there’s not as much side support as the lovely front seats.

That rear space has quite a high window line so small kids may struggle to see out.

Amenities back there include two map pockets, rear knee-level air vents, two USB-C ports, ISOFIX anchors on the two outboard seats, three top tether points and enough room in the doors for one big and one small bottle.

You get 465 litres of space (to the top of the seat back) with all seats in place. It is ample space for luggage or a big shopping haul. Drop the 60/40 split-fold rear seats and the front seats and that grows to 1526L.

You’ll find a 12-volt outlet in the boot as well as nooks on the side, a light and a cargo blind. What you won’t find, disappointingly, is a spare wheel of any kind. Just a tyre repair kit. This puts KGM behind the pace of brands like Toyota and Hyundai that at least offer a temporary spare wheel for their hybrid models.

Another quirk is adjusting to the tailgate opening upwards, not sideways as the rear 'handle' suggests.

The hybrid version of the Torres is available in two model grades, the K30 from $45,000 drive-away and the K40 at $48,000. We tested the K30 Hybrid.

The non-hybrid turbo-petrol Torres is available in three grades and ranges from $38,000 to $47,000. There’s also a fully-electric Torres called the EVX that costs $58,000. Keep an eye out for our review of the EV in the coming weeks.

In terms of other hybrid rivals, the Torres lines up against the GWM Haval H6 ($40,990-$47,990, drive-away) and MG HS ($42,990-$46,990, d/a). Some more established models have more hybrid grades, like the Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, Nissan X-Trail and Subaru Forester but they creep up dangerously close to $60K for the priciest grade.

KGM offers solid value for money across its model range and that’s definitely the case with the Torres Hybrid. The standard features list is healthy without being jaw-droppingly generous.

In the K30 you get 18-inch alloy wheels, LED headlights and daytime running lights, dual-zone climate control, interior ambient lighting, leather steering wheel, heated, power-adjustable and power-folding door mirrors and rain-sensing wipers.

It also has dual 12.3-inch screens, one for driver instrumentation and the other for multimedia, wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, a retractable cargo blind, fabric seats, manual adjust front seats, six-speaker audio and USB-C ports.

It misses out on digital radio and the lack of wireless connectivity is a miss.

The K40 adds synthetic leather front seats, heated seats, a heated steering wheel, rear sunblinds, a hands-free power tailgate and auto up-down front power windows.

The Torres Hybrid also has a lengthy standard safety features list, but more on that in the Safety section below.

Under that long bonnet is a 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 pumping out 420kW and a diesel-like 800Nm of torque. 

That's a lot, even for this big bruiser. Obviously, being an Audi S-car, it has quattro all-wheel drive, which is fed by an eight-speed ZF automatic. Which is in everything now. Well, just about.

That huge torque figure is available between 2000rpm and 4500rpm while peak power arrives at 6000rpm. The 0-100km/h sprint is despatched in - gulp - 3.8 seconds.

As it's riding on the MLB platform, the mild hybrid system is a 48-volt set-up. A lithium-ion battery in the boot takes charge from the belt alternator/starter, which means the S8 can coast at higher speeds with the engine off and also cut out at 22km/h and under in traffic.

The system can also add up to 60Nm of torque in the right conditions for up to six seconds, and if it happened for me, I didn't notice it.

Powering the KGM Torres Hybrid is a 110kW/220Nm 1.5-litre, four-cylinder turbo-petrol engine paired with a permanent magnet synchronous motor delivering 130kW/300Nm, for a combined power output of 150kW. KGM does not provide an overall torque figure but clearly pulling power is healthy.

It also has a 1.8kWh lithium iron phosphate battery as part of its hybrid set-up. As mentioned. this is not a plug-in.

That’s a little less than the Hyundai Tucson (172kW) and GWM Haval H6 (179kW) hybrids, but more than the Honda CR-V (135kW).

It uses a ‘dedicated hybrid transmission’ and drives the front wheels only.

The 10.5L/100km official figure is, shall we say, optimistic. The launch drive was mostly highway so there's no real information to be gleaned from that, so we'll have to wait for real world fuel figures.

I'd say 12-13L/100km is achievable if you don't like having fun, in which case, the lesser A8 is probably for you.

Audi says the MHEV system saves 0.8L/100km with an early cut-out for the stop-start and the ability to coast on the highway for over half a minute at a time.

KGM says the Torres Hybrid consumes 5.6 litres per 100 kilometres on the combined (urban/extra-urban) cycle. After a week of mixed urban and freeway driving I recorded a figure of 7.0L/100km. Not bad, but it could be better.

The Torres’s Euro 6 powerplant uses 95 RON premium fuel and taking into account the 50-litre fuel tank, you could theoretically get a total driving range of about 890km.

Driving any of the cars in this segment is a rare treat, whether it's the 'entry level' diesel or this top of the heap sports sedan. My day with the S8 was filled with the usual surprise and delight that only these tech-packed cars can deliver.

Heading out of the Sydney CBD in 'Comfort' mode, the car scans the road ahead and adjusts the active suspension accordingly. You already know it has active suspension because when you pull the door handle, the car lifts by 50mm to make it a bit easier to get in.

The suspension's party trick is flat-topped speed bumps - drive at one, brake a little and sense the way the body feels like it stays exactly where it is in the air but the suspension almost completely flattens the speed hump.

It's uncanny and almost unnatural, with just the tiniest change in altitude and no noise from the suspension.

It also manages the terrible narrow lanes of CBD thoroughfares with ease, the lane keep system letting you know if you're straying.

On to the motorway and you get a feel for its crushing performance. You won't hear much, though - the stereo's noise-cancelling system shuts out almost all tyre noise and consistent wind noise is largely banished, too.

I'm going to admit I gasped when I found some corners. Active suspension bodes well for the tricky stuff, as does the all-wheel steering. Both are exceptionally clever systems for making the car feel a lot smaller in town and in car parks but they're also really good if you want some fun.

But the way the rear-wheel steer adds agility to such a big car is hilarious and clever. While you can't quite chuck it around - and really, you're not buying an A8-sized car for that kind of nonsense - brisk progress is far from intimidating.

Now, obviously, a Ford Fiesta would drive away from the S8 in the really tight stuff but it would take some time to properly shake it. The colossal torque from the V8 hurls even this two-tonne-plus limo out of the corners in a most satisfactory manner.

It's surprisingly agile for a machine more than five metres long and two metres wide. If your passengers are corner enthusiasts, you'll all be having fun in near silence. It's oddly engaging to be moving at pace in such a hushed cabin.

While this might be CarsGuide’s first time behind the wheel of the KGM Torres Hybrid, we have driven the petrol version. Andrew Chesterton lived with one for three months. You can read his take on it here.

As predicted by Chesto, the hybrid powertrain does sort out some of the issues with the pure petrol version. Regular acceleration is smooth and lacks any of the jerkiness experienced in the pure-combustion model, thanks in part to the hybrid transmission.

There is, however, tyre squeal when you give it a boot full. That could be fixed with better tyres than the 225/60R18 Nexen Roadian GTX rubber on the hybrid grades. There was also axle tramp when I tested the Torres under hard acceleration.

The transition between petrol and electric power is seamless. Only when pushed hard up a hill does the petrol engine sound a little rough.

Of the three drive modes - Comfort, Eco and Sport - the latter only adds mild spice. Best stick with Comfort.

The Torres Hybrid’s brakes are strong and lack the spongeyness of some hybrids. It has regenerative braking which just feels weird in a hybrid. I kept it at a lower setting as a result.

It steers nicely, offering a good amount of feel and it’s sharp without overdoing it.

I noticed some light vibration through the steering wheel on coarse chip and uneven roads. But the cabin is well insulated and relatively quiet. A particularly windy Melbourne spring day was the only thing that unsettled the peace in the cabin.

Suspension is MacPherson strut up front and multi-link at the rear and in terms of handling, there’s subtle lean in corners but it feels pretty hunkered down for a family SUV. More so than a number of its rivals.

The Torres Hybrid’s ride quality is variable, depending on the road quality. On some average roads, it handles better than others. You’ll definitely notice sizeable ruts, but there’s little to complain about in urban settings.

In terms of visibility, the C-pillar is way too big. I get that it’s a design element but that, combined with the tiny rear third-quarter windows, make a head check all but useless.

The Torres has not been tested by ANCAP for a crash safety rating, but it comes with a long list of safety gear as standard.

Hybrid grades get autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist and lane departure warning, forward collision warning, driver attention alert, multi-collision braking, trailer stability assist and front and rear parking sensors.

Disappointingly the K30 misses out on a rear cross-traffic alert, blind spot warning and lane change-collision warning that are all standard in the K40.

It comes with eight airbags including a front centre bag to help avoid injury in a side collision.

On the road, some of the driver aids need improving.

The seatbelt warning is annoying, beeping loudly until you put your belt on. I could not find a way to change that in the settings.

The driver attention alert pops up every so often with a coffee icon and audible alert. The alert stays on for way too long and is annoying.

Adaptive cruise is pretty smooth, slowing and speeding up at just the right time and speed.

The lane keeping aid is twitchy and tugs at the wheel too much. It’s not as bad as systems from some other carmakers but it needs further calibration.

There’s no self-steering function, just the lane keep and you can’t alter the level of that system. You can turn it off and just use the lane departure warning which is what I did.

Audi continues to fail to match Mercedes move to a five year warranty, sticking with three year/unlimited kilometre cover. BMW is still doing it too, so maybe Ingolstadt and Munich are playing chicken. 

You can get a five-year service plan for the S8, coming out at $3990 for the duration.

KGM covers the Torres with its seven-year, unlimited kilometre warranty and the high-voltage battery is backed by seven-year, 150,000km cover.

Servicing is recommended every 12 months or 10,000km, whichever occurs first. The category standard is every 15,000km. KGM's service pricing is available for the first seven years with prices ranging from $349 to $454. Over that seven years it should cost $2758, which is not bad.

KGM’s dealer network consists of 65 sales and service outlets across the country, with a number in regional and rural Australia.