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Geneva Motor Show Wrap
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By Paul Gover · 11 Mar 2010
Europe is back in business, celebrating the end of the global financial crisis that rocked the car world and drove the biggest of them all - General Motors - into bankruptcy.There were green shoots of happiness at the Frankfurt Motor Show in late 2009, but this week's Geneva Motor Show shows the same sort of excitement and promise of an early spring morning in Europe.Every carmaker has something new in Geneva, from full-blown production models to quirky concepts. The Swiss show is often dismissed as a sideshow but this time, with 25 new models as diverse as the Nissan Micra and Porsche Cayenne, there is serious action on every front.Carmakers are predictably focussed on green solutions to meet the challenges of fuel economy and CO2 emissions - with Fiat even showing a tiny two-cylinder engine for its funkoid 500 - but there is also room for fun. How else do you describe a Honda city concept that looks like a 20th-century take on the unicycles used by Circe du Soleil acrobats?But even the green machines have turned mean as Ferrari shows its 599 Vettura Labratorio hybrid, although BYD from China balanced things with its fully-electric E6 hatch.Porsche also has its 918 supercar concept and both it and the Ferrari tap Formula One technology with KERS hybrid packs - that's Kinetic Energy Recovery System - to store energy for a quick, explosive boost of extra power.Porsche plans to put the 918 into production but, as yet, Ferrari is only using the super-special 599 - painted symbolically in green instead of the Italian brand's signature red - as a rolling labratory. "We want to understand how to use this technology. We are not yet at the point to see it in a road going Ferrari," says Amedeo Felisa, Ferrari's CEO.The upbeat mood at Geneva is captured by the top man at Bentley, Dr Franz-Josef Paefgen, who says the reaction to his company's Mulsanne and Supersports models has filled him with confidence after a shocking 2009. "There is a feeling that it is behind us," Paefgen says as super-wealthy Bentley buyers emerge from their GFC-proof bunkers.Walking the stands at Geneva I see green machines that are more than just concepts and plenty of choices for small-car buyers, from budget hatches to baby prestige cars like the Audi A1. The little Audi gets a rousing reception, Volvo wins praise for the safety and styling of the new S60 sedan and the Alfa Giulietta - replacement for the 147 - raises more questions about the often-promised renaissance for the brand.Lexus shows a compact new CT200h hybrid that brings petrol-electric power to a new group of buyers, Mini has the Countryman with extra ground clearance and the basics for a World Rally Championship challenge in 2011, and the Mitsubishi ASX crossover - test driven this week by Peter Lyon near Tokyo - heads the Japanese contingent.For Alfa fans, the Giulietta is pitched at the Volkswagen Golf with a range of 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0-litre petrol and diesel engines. BMW’s new 5 Series and a 4-litre six-cylinder X5 diesel creates a predictable buzz among SUV fans.Kia’s head of design, Peter Schreyer, lifts the wraps off the stylish new Sportage, which is due in Australia later this year, with the promise of both turbodiesel and petrol engines, as well as front and all-wheel drive. The Sportage could be major hit for the Korean brand, matching the impact of the Hyundai ix35, when it goes on sale with an opener in the sub-$30,000 bracket.Ford leverages the first European appearance of its new Focus hatch in Geneva by unveiling the Focus wagon, which at this stage is a Europe-only car. Europeans are big wagon buyers and the wagon is expected to account for one-third of all Focus sales there.But the Focus wagon is only the halfway point - the fifth of 10 proposed models - using the same basic building blocks and the future includes a Focus electric car. Currently, the wagon, hatch, sedan and C-Max and Grand C-Max all share the same underpinnings.“We are now using our global resources to develop cars for all countries, including Australia,” says Ford's technical chief, Derrick Kuzak. He also reveals the current Europe-only Kuga compact SUV and North American Escape will be replaced by a single global car, which could head to Australia, and hints that a hot performance Focus with a more-powerful version of Ford’s 2.0-litre Ecoboost turbo engine will also be available in Australia.Lexus uses Geneva to showcase its critically important CT 200h hybrid, which it hopes to become a volume player. But the CT 200h is not the only car to push the green theme at the affordable end.Hyundai has the stylish turbocharged 1.7-litre i-flow concept sedan, which uses a lithium-ion battery pack with six-speed dual-clutch transmission, and it is joined by the ix35 FCEV hydrogen fuel-cell car and Opel’s Flextreme GT-E.Apart from Ferrari, Porsche shows off its GT3 R Hybrid - also with KERS - and 918 Spyder, both exploring the outer limits of hybrid drivetrains for race and road cars. The Cayenne, along with the VW Touareg, share their hybrid debuts as Audi uses the first appearance of its baby A1 to reveal a full-electric E-tron concept that joins earlier R8-based plug-in supercars.Apart from the conventional petrol and diesel A1, Audi also adds the RS5 coupe to its A5 lineup and a hybrid A8 sedan. The RS5 gets a powerful 335kW/430Nm 4.2-litre V8, quattro all-wheel drive and seven-speed S-tronic dual clutch gearbox.Like the BMW-built Mini, Audi has several distinctly styled A1s on its stand. It says owners will have access to so much customisation that no two A1s will be exactly the same.Audi has the Mini firmly in its sights with an expected starting price around $33,000 for the A1, with a three-door car to kick of sales with a five-door and cabrio expected. The range-topper is expected to be an S version with a performance-tuned turbo four cylinder engine.Citroen springs one of the few real surprises of the show with its hot-pink Survolt sportscar while Giugiaro teams up with Proton to deliver a stylish hybrid city car. The Survolt is a pure design fantasy with no likely production expected. The showcar did not even have an engine and Citroen says it has been designed to go electric.Apart from the sleek Citroen, two Italian styling houses - Pininfarina and Bertone - have show cars based on Alfa Romeo mechanical parts. Bertone returns to Geneva for the first time in two years with the Pandion 2+2 concept coupe and Pininfarina shows the two-seater 2uettottanta.Apart from the twin concepts, Citroen has the DS3 Racing as well as its DS High Rider three door, a pointer to the next-generation C4, which is due to be launched next year as a five-door. The company will only build 1000 versions of the DS3 racing and the head of local importer Ateco Automotive, Neville Crichton, says he would like to bring a few to Australia but will initially focus on launching the DS range.“It certainly is a good looking thing,” Crichton says. Mercedes-Benz continues to create a buzz at Geneva with its SLS Gullwing supercar but the F800 Style, a pointer to the next-generation CLS minus its cantilever rear doors, dominates the Mercedes stand and shares the limelight with the E-Class cabriolet.Fitting in the quirky category in Geneva is Aston Martin’s Cygnet hatch, a remake of Toyota’s iQ city car. The $50,000 makeover model will only be sold to existing Aston Martin customers. Aston Martin boldly has the Cygnet right next to its four-door flagship sports car, the Rapide.
Lexus IS250C 2010 Review
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By Karla Pincott · 09 Feb 2010
At last, Lexus have come to the party with the new IS 250C – a folding hard top variant of the mid-size sedan. Pricing starts at $76,900 for the Prestige and tops out at $94,900 for the Sports Luxury.Exterior Lexus have done an excellent job converting the original design to incorporate the folding hard top. The chunkier rear end is the only obvious difference. But only the bonnet, headlights, door handles and door mirrors are carried over from the sedan. An extra 160kg of foldable roof and floor bracing have been added to weigh the car in at 1730kg. And that’s just the base model. Tack on another 20kg for the top version.Interior and equipmentThe interior is what we have come to expect from a luxurious Lexus. Supportive leather seats, quality six-stacker stereo, intuitive dash and steering controls, and push button start. There’s a raft of standard features … fully adjustable electric seats, cruise control, trip computer, parking sensors and headlight controls.Safety is a focus with a comprehensive airbag package, anti-lock brakes with brakeforce distribution, traction and stability controls and adaptive suspension.EngineThe Lexus IS 250C is powered by a 2.5 litre DOHC V6 that puts out 153kW at 6400 rpm and 252Nm of torque at 4800 rpm. It has a combined fuel economy figure of 9.3L/100km. An automatic transmission with manual mode gets power to the wheels.Driving – Karla PincottI’ll come straight out and admit I don’t like convertibles. And there are many reasons for that, the main one being that for decades a convertible body has often been a compromised afterthought – it either ended up being too jittery with ‘scuttle shake’, or too heavy to move around nimbly.But that’s admittedly old school thinking. Over the past few years with better use of lighter materials and high-tensile steels, droptops have improved. And the Lexus IS 250C is one that benefits from the recent technology. We were surprised at how well it behaved with the roof down. And while the metal top and the extra strengthening and equipment have added about 130kg over the sedan, it doesn’t lumber around.And the little creature is just so damned easy to live with. It’s a breeze to park, has enough snap to tango through urban traffic without getting flustered, and is not a bad cruiser for longer stretches outside the city. And it looks good too. It needs a bit more engine before it could really appeal to performance fans, however. The 2.5-litre V6 is more than enough for a chic sprint, but those who want to muscle around will want more.Likewise, in full auto mode the transmission keeps shifting up for economy when we’d rather stay in the current gear for performance. But it’s smooth and well-behaved over most roads so far, with the exception being a run of badly patchworked bitumen on the way south that sent judders through the cabin. Our other issue with the droptop is that with the roof open, the boot space shrinks to barely enough for a couple of overnight bags.And our only other reason for disliking the IS 250C has little to do with engineering. We’re not the type that is ever well-groomed enough to enjoy the kind of public display a convertible offers – attracts, even. No, give us a full roof, and add darkened glass behind which we can cower in all our unkempt frightfulness, I say.Driving – Jonah WigleyWith extra weight, acceleration is compromised. We found ourselves hesitating during overtakes and merges. Poor visibility, particularly out the back quarter of the car – due to the higher waistline on the convertible – was another factor that caused us to balk at times. Once at speed, however, the convertible was smooth and quiet – except for a little mirror woosh – and the throttle response at higher revs was a lot better than from off the line.The suspension set-up is great, so potholes and ruts were chewed and spat out. With the top down we could hold a conversation without having to shout, even while being treated to the satisfying syrupy growl of the tensed engine. The IS 250C poured in and out of corners at all speeds effortlessly – best using the paddle-shifters – but there were periods of noticeable body-roll. This is more a cruiser than a hyper sports car.We took issue with the height – and weight - of the doors. They were a good six inches above a comfortable elbow-rest level which was just plain annoying. And they were too damn heavy. And don’t try to put the top down at traffic lights. Lexus claims it takes less time than its competitors, but you will be caught short.Verdict75/100Lexus IS 250CPrice: from $79,900 to $99,900Engine: 2.5-litre V6Power: 153kW/6400revsTorque: 252Nm/4800revsTransmission: six-speed automatic, rear-wheel drivePerformance: top speed 210km/h, 0-100km/h 9.0sEconomy: 9.3L/100kmEmissions: 219grams/km
Lexus IS-F CCS on show
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By Kevin Hepworth · 28 Jan 2010
Hot on the heels of the LFA supercar the company once defined by its oh-so refined yet oh-so restrained philosophy has snuck a stunning rendition of its IS-F sportscar into the Tokyo Auto Salon to stand alongside some of the wildest after-market makeovers in the world.The Circuit Club Sports Concept — or CCS — is an in-house project from Lexus that concentrates on lifting the IS-F to a new level of visual graphics without changing the core mechanical package that already marked the V8 IS-F as a watershed in the Lexus philosophy."IS-F kicked off Lexus' entire sports and performance portfolio and we are looking forward to how the mindset behind it and LFA will shape our vehicles in the future," says Lexus Australia's new chief executive Tony Cramb. "The IS-F CCS Concept is a great-looking vehicle and should Lexus ever consider such a vehicle for production, it would definitely be on our list."It is surely no accident that the bright orange and carbon fibre treatment of the CCS almost mirrors what BMW did with its track-only M3 GTS which was unveiled in Germany late last year. While the CCS is designated as a ‘reference vehicle’ the show car is only a few simple steps away from at least a limited production run.It sits on exactly the same rear-wheel drive sports platform as the IS-F and boasts the same 311kW and 505Nm 5-litre V8 powerplant driving through an eight-speed transmission. With a highlighted carbon fibre bonnet, roof, boot and rear wing along with much of the interior the CCS tips the scales around 25kg lighter than the donor car's 1715kg not a lot in the world of racetrack trimming but importantly, the carbon fibre boot, bonnet and roof all work to lower the centre of gravity.There is also a stiffer track-tuned suspension package, huge carbon ceramic brakes, lightweight 19-inch forged magnesium wheels, a mechanical limited slip differential and a titanium sports exhaust system. Lexus proudly points out that the CCS draws heavily on processes pioneered in the development of the LFA supercar, although the company doesn't specify just what has trickled down to the track baby.Cramb says the IS-F CCS is an exciting but logical extension of the marque's inclusion of sports philosophy in the more mainstream models. "I've joined Lexus at a time when it is gearing up for some of the most exciting product in the brand's history — headlined by the LFA supercar," Cramb says."Lexus' commitment to performance inspired product is already evident in vehicles such as the IS250 F Sport and the LS460 Sports. Looking ahead, performance and hybrid vehicles offer a real opportunity for Lexus in Australia." The first half of 2010 is expected to be a quiet time for Lexus with only minor product upgrading, including the refresh of the LX570 this month and a facelift for the luxury long-wheelbase LS 600hL hybrid in March.Lexus will have to wait until 2011 before the next round of halo cars arrive, the LFA and the Prius-based hatchback based on the LF-Ch Frankfurt concept.
Tokyo Auto Salon
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By Peter Lyon · 21 Jan 2010
They range from a tiny supercharged Toyota iQ to a full-race Lexus LFA and deliver on the recent promise by Akio Toyoda, the new chief executive of the Toyota Motor Corporation, to inject excitement, passion and driving enjoyment into the world's biggest brand.The most important car is a turbocharged version of Toyota's FT-86, which shows the potential of the production car that Toyoda plans to use to bring young people back to his brand. There is no sign of a hotrod Camry at the show, the third-biggest 'tuner' event in the world after SEMA in the USA and Essen in Europe, but Toyota's introduction of its hero cars creates the biggest surprise since the start of the Global Financial Crisis. The Salon line-up is also a massive contrast to the conservative and underwhelming effort by Toyota at last year's Tokyo Motor Show, traditionally Japan's biggest motoring event.At the Auto Salon, Akio Toyoda does the introductions himself and spends more than 30 minutes talking about the cars during a presentation that partly erases some of the pain of the company's withdrawal last year from Formula One racing. Toyoda said simply ‘We quit’ at the F1 press conference, but also promised cars ‘that generate fun and passion’.The first of the passion pack is unveiled at the Salon and, despite a couple of aero-tweaked Prius sitting on the same stand in a nod to Toyota's hybrid drive, there is plenty of good news. The FT-86 concept has pumped-out bodywork and a powered-up turbo engine, proving the tuner potential in a car that will be in showrooms in 2011. It's a classic rear-wheel drive coupe, just like the original Corolla Sprinter that has become a drift favourite around the world.The rich mix of raunchy metal actually starts with a supercharged iQ GRMN concept produced by Toyota's current tuner favourite, a company called Gazoo Racing Master of Nurburgring. It's still a tiny three-seater but it's quick. There is also a 1.5 litre rear-drive Aigo that has been switched from front-drive, a 325 kiloWatt high-performance Lexus IS-F Circuit Club Sports and a full a race-specification LFA.The big surprise is a car called the GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept, also produced by Gazoo. This two-seater, four-wheel drive hyrid sports coupe is based on the old Toyota MR-2 and boasts a mid-mounted 3.3-litre V6 engine and the company's well-known THSII hybrid system, a delicious combination that generates over 400 kiloWatts.Draped in a carbon fibre body and tipping the scales at around 1500 kilograms, against a final target in the 1300 range, the V6 drives the rear wheels while the electric motor propels the fronts. It can drive in silent EV mode in the city and, when called upon for some quick acceleration, the V6 springs to life and engages the rear rubber.This combination could very well put Honda's CR-Z to shame, even if Honda is calling its new coupe "The world's first hybrid sports car". Stories leaking out of Honda say the CR-Z has only lukewarm performance, unlike the MR-S hybrid that has near-supercar performance and reportedly sprints from 0-100km/h in under 4.5 seconds.So, what's the bottom line from the Tokyo Salon? Based on what Toyota unveiled, it intends to make good on its passion promise and create cars that people really will want to buy.
4WD of the Year finalists
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By Fraser Stronach · 20 Jan 2010
To be eligible for 4WD Of The Year, a vehicle has to be completely new that year, or significantly revised. By 'significantly revised' we mean a major mechanical change like a new engine or drivetrain, or a new body. Styling, equipment or interior facelifts don't cut the mustard.To be eligible, the vehicle in question also has to have a full-size spare wheel either as standard, or available as an option. No full-size spare equals no start. On this count, the Peugeot 4007, Volvo XC60, Audi Q5 and Mitsubishi Outlander were all eliminated automatically.That left a number of other soft-roaders that do come with a full-size spare to consider. These included the Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe, Lexus RX350, Lexus RX400h and the Nissan Murano. The fact that so many new soft roaders didn't go down the space-saver route is good news but at the end of the day they are still soft roaders and with so many strong candidates among the ranks of the serious 4WDs, we couldn't warrant their inclusion.The new 'serious' 4WDs included the Prado 150 Series, the Land Rover Discovery 4, the Range Rover Sport and Vogue, the new Land Rover Defender variants, the ML Series Triton, and the revised Jeep Wrangler. Further culling of the numbers saw the Wrangler and the Defender eliminated on the grounds that they are both variations on well-known themes while the Range Rover Vogue, with its new petrol 5.0-litre V8, was deemed to be too expensive in relation to the new Range Rover Sport with its new 3.0-litre TDV6.In the end it came down to the Discovery 4 with its new TDV6 engine (in SE spec), the Range Rover Sport with the same engine (only one spec level), the top-spec ML Triton as this is the only model with all the new features as standard, and the Prado in both petrol and diesel guise. To us, these five vehicles represented an extremely strong field … a classic Land Rover verses Toyota battle with the wildcard Triton thrown in.Find out which vehicle won in Australia’s leading offroad magazine, Overlander, on sale Wednesday Jan 27.
Airbelts next safety step
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By Paul Gover · 08 Jan 2010
Car safety is about to move forward again with a new airbag development. Seatbelts are the new target for cushioned protection in a crash, with Ford and Toyota racing to get the first production models on the road.Ford is expected to be first into showrooms with the upcoming Explorer SUV for the USA, with Toyota to follow in 2011 with the Lexus LFA supercar. There is no confirmation yet of any airbag belts for Australia, although Toyota admits the design developed for its $750,000 supercar will be migrated through the whole of the company."We don't know where or when, but in true Lexus fashion it will be 'trickle-down' technology," says Toyota spokesman, Mike Breen. Lexus revealed a pyrotechnic seatbelt last year at the press preview of the LFA in Germany. There was no great fanfare despite its importance, with Lexus actually underplaying the development."We don't want to say too much yet because the car does not go into production until 2011. Someone else could beat us to be first with this development," says the chief engineer of the LFA, Haruhiko Tanahashi. He was right, with Ford announcing soon after that it had developed an inflatable airbag for use in the Explorer.The two systems are very different, with Lexus choosing to continue with a pyrotechnic device to create the gas for the bag - with a linked electrical connection built into the belt buckle - and Ford going with a cold compressed gas. The Ford bag inflates in 40 seconds but, because of the way it is used and because it is strapped against an occupant, the firing is relatively slow and much less violent than a conventional airbag.More detail on the Ford system is expected soon but there is no confirmation of its use in anything beyond the Explorer. "We are looking at other vehicles. But there have been no decisions or announcements yet," says Sinead McAlary, spokesperson for Ford Australia.
Jaguar designer's hit list
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By Paul Gover · 04 Dec 2009
Since cars all deliver on the same basic promise of personal mobility, and many vehicles do it with incredible value and panache, good design can often make the difference between buying and losing.Ian Callum knows it and, after more than four decades of top-class design work on everything from HSV Holdens to Volvos, Aston Martins and now Jaguars, he is the right man to be talking. "This is a time of car design. It's not just styling any more. You really have to understand design, and the elements that make up a good design," Callum says. "We're also seeing a lot of change in the automotive world. The make-up of cars is changing. Designers are going to have an incredible influence."Callum has revolutionised Jaguar design over the past 10 years and just visited Australia to showcase his all-new XJ flagship, which steps right away from anything which has previously worn the brand's leaper mascot. "I didn't want to be a slave to heritage," he says simply.Callum believes good design is simple but incredibly difficult, elegant and timeless, but also challenging and filled with tiny little details. He is rare among designers because he backs his promises with commitment and talent, and is also happy to give an opinion.So, then, how does he judge the work from some of his rivals? Surprisingly, Callum is happy to go on the record with a simple tick-or-cross verdict on the latest designs in showrooms.Here are his ratings: Aston Martin Rapide - tickAudi A5 - tickBMW GT - two crossesBMW X6 - crossFerrari F458 Italia - tickHSV EII Commodore - tickLexus LFA - tickMercedes E-Class - crossMercedes SLS Gullwing - crossNissan GT-R - crossPorsche Panamera - crossRolls-Royce Ghost - tickToyota Prius - tickVolkswagen Golf - tick
Used Lexus IS200 review: 2001-2004
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By Graham Smith · 02 Dec 2009
There's little doubt of which car Toyota was aiming at when it designed the IS200; its looks, size and proportions all mirror the BMW 3-Series.
Toyoda promises more excitement
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By Karla Pincott · 22 Oct 2009
And while that was mainly due to the four star cars on its stands – the Lexus LFA supercar and LFCh hybrid compact, and the Toyota FT86 sports coupe and FTEV2 electric vehicle – a lot of buzz also surrounded the address by the company’s boss.Akio Toyoda, the grandson of the car giant’s founder who has recently taken the helm, spoke passionately about injecting life and lust back into the brand that has increasingly focused too much on volume sales. “It is important to appeal to people’s senses,” he said. “Today I will introduce you to … vehicles that people want to drive or simply want outright.As an enthusiastic driver – who has tested himself against German’s famed Nurburgring circuit – Toyoda bemoaned the demise of the sports cars in Toyota’s past. “Includng the Levin and Trueno ‘hachi roku’ models, the Supra, the Altezza and the MR-S … the fact that none of these vehicles is still being produced makes me, a serious car fan, really sad.”Toyoda said the blame for a new generation of buyers shunning Toyota’s -- and other manufacturers’ – cars lay with the carmakers rather than the public. “I feel that it may not be the customers who have drifted away from the cars, but us, the manufacturers,” he said. “For this reason, I believe it is the mission of automakers to provide the fundamental excitement of automobiles to customers, regardless of the era.”With a backdrop of his online avatar simultaneously addressing a motor show audience in Toyota Metapolis – the brand’s version of a Second Life-like virtual world, Toyoda sounded genuine in his desire to see his company take a new direction. The next few years will see how well that enthusiasm works to change the direction of the world’s biggest badge.
Lexus LFA production confirmed
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By Karla Pincott · 21 Oct 2009
The brand’s first grab for supercar territory – with a carbon-fibre body carrying a Formula One-inspired V10 engine that gets it to 100km/h in just 3.7 seconds and to a top speed of 325km/h – is tipped to arrive with a price tag of more than $500,000.But that’s unlikely to bother those locals who have already put their hand up for the car, according to Lexus Australia boss John Roca. “It’s being touted at about US$375,000, but we’ve heard the equivalent of close to $750,000 … that kind of price didn’t shake anybody off the tree,” Roca says. “Our wishlist is to get five to 10 cars. We are going into negotiation on volume for Australia, but in the initial discussions it was not hypothetically slated for Asia because of projected demand from other markets. “We’ve asked for expressions of interest, and even in these difficult times they have come in. Three have been requested from Queensland alone. “Hypothetically, if we were to get five, the dealer principals would snap them up.”Roca says Lexus Australia will look at ways to prevent dealers buying the cars and simply locking them away for posterity. “So we might put limitations our dealer group to determine when the cars must be passed on,” he says. “That would prevent them being bought and then hidden away for the next 20 years.”Roca agrees the LFA development program has been a costly one if the result is simply 500 cars, but says it is an investment in more than just that vehicle. “It will do everything for the brand,” he says. “We’re a young brand – just 20 years in the market – and producing a true supercar like this would raise our profile. “People are asking if this is similar to what Honda did with the NSX in the 1990s, but it’s different. This is another tie into the Lexus (high-performance) F line and would allow us to tap into future F drivetrains.