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Honda Accord engine problem being fixed

  • By Paul Gover
  • Herald Sun
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    The Accord Euro with 2.4-litre four-cylinder engine is effected with the combustion problem.

  • Japanese engineering team have studied and resolved the problem.
  • Honda will be contacting Accord Euro customers to rectify their vehicles.
  • Honda reassures there is no harm to the engine and guarantee the engine will have no ill effect.

An engine problem that has hit the Honda Accord Euro in Australia should be fixed by the end of June.

More than 50 Euro owners have reported the combustion problem, which Honda Australia describes as a 'post-combustion detonation sound'.

Honda brought an engineering team from Japan to study and resolve the problem, which was also reported in a handful of cars in the USA.

It only affects the Euro with 2.4-litre four-cylinder engine.

"A counter measure has been developed. We will receive it at the end of this month and will be contacting customers to recify their vehicles," says Honda Australia's spokesman, Mark Higgins.

"It's a handful of cars. We've sold 9000 or 10,000 Euros in the past year and it's around 60 vehicles maximum."

He says Honda is taking the problem very seriously.

"Honda R&D people came out from Japan. We had a team of engineers here for about two weeks," he says.

Higgins is not aware of the specific changes to solve the problem but believes it is an electronic counter-measure.

"We're not sure if it's a specification specific. We don't know what the issue is, as yet," he says.

"But the good news is that we had an issue, and there is a counter- measure. It's an electronic or ECU issue, not a mechanical issue.

"The other thing to remember ... is that this is doing no harm whatsoever to the engine. We guarantee the engine will have no ill effects. It has also had no effect on performance or the fuel economy."

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  • I got 2010 jan built My10 accord euro auto, till now I dont have any ping issue. I don't know because I started using BP ultimate(RON98) after the dealer filled fuel ran out. I never tried Ron95 fuel. I also heard My12 facelift euros still got the issue.

    Ozboy of syd Posted on 05 January 2012 9:18pm
  • 2010 honda accord 2.4 auto acura tsx germany honda fixed the pinging 95 percent after 2 months full pinging

    spanaway of Germany Posted on 25 November 2010 1:19pm
  • My brand new, then 2 month old, Honda Euro luxury started rattling. I brought it to Honda?s attention straight away and it took them over 8 months before they offered a solution. During these 8 months, I was totally ignored. My phone calls were returned ONLY when I complained to the office of fair trading! Honda then claimed to have fixed it, but to date, it is still not fixed! They said this is as best as it could be, and that is the "norm" for this car to rattle under different driving and temperature conditions, as it saves on petrol, which is totally unacceptable. They think customers have sub-normal intelligence to believe that! I agree with Sammy, the dealer and Honda knew about this problem when these brand new cars were sold (and still are sold as we tweet), to unsuspecting customers. This is blatant cheating and I hope the ACCC can protect consumers from this manufacturer. Their claim that it is not a safety issue is NOT GOOD ENOUGH, you don't pay over 45K for a brand new car that pings! I hope no one buys their cars, until they keep their well ADVERTISED PROMISE that customer SATISFACTION is their priority. Any class action taken yet? The service centre was polite though!

    Nivene of Brisbane Posted on 23 October 2010 3:51pm
  • 18 Months on, and the problem is still there....

    Ali of Sydney Posted on 06 September 2010 4:20pm
  • If anyone who owns a Honda Accord euro PINGER thats still pinging regardless of the level of problem being experienced I would be keen to know - had the Honda fix???? Still pinging although some improvement, not really good enough is it after the financial commitment to purchase a so called luxury car - thing that disappoints me most I believe Honda Aust. and their dealers at the time of sale new of the problem STINKS OF MISREPRESENTATION wasn't it "car of the year" at the time? I am going out of my way NOT to recommend Honda to my friends or clients. At least I can have that satisfaction if only one of my associates does not purchase a potential PINGER and then have to put up with the head in the sand attitude of a so called reputable corporation then I have saved them from a lot of disappointment and time wasting. Only wish now is that I could afford to dump this LEMON.

    john benzie of adelaide Posted on 28 June 2010 9:31am
  • My car has been back to the dealership four times in the past year to have this pinging issue fixed without success. The response from Honda Australia has been very disappointing. If you are thinking of buying a new Accord Euro, you may be well advised to take the actual car that is being delivered for a long (50km) extensive drive test. There is a major problem with this car which Honda are not able or willing to fix.

    Sammy of Sydney Posted on 15 April 2010 12:41pm
  • I have a Euro Lux Navi, apparently the first shipment of the MY10 batch. I heard of the problems people had experienced, however since I understood the problem had been rectified, I bought the new one after my 2007 Euro was stolen. Knock sensor needed to be fixed by the time I got to the 1000km service! Problem is still occuring, but not as badly, about to take it back for it's 6 month service. Always used Vortex fuel. Very disappointing.

    Judy of Sydney Posted on 08 April 2010 10:43am
  • I've just had the so-called post combustion fix and after repeated attempts to get Honda Australia to acknowledge there is a problem I resorted to having my car tested on a dyno by a reputable car tuner and they found the air to fuel ratio had been increased (8.02), unfortunately my car now runs very rough under load and surges with a wildy varying torque curve. I've sent the results of the test to Honda Australia, here's hoping.

    Phil of Ringwood Posted on 03 March 2010 7:28pm
  • I've just had the so-called post combustion fix and after repeated attempts to get Honda Australia to acknowledge there is a problem I resorted to having my car tested on a dyno by a reputable car tuner and they found the air to fuel ratio had been increased (8.02), unfortunately my car now runs very rough under load and surges with a wildy varying torque curve. I've sent the results of the test to Honda Australia, here's hoping.

    Phil of Ringwood Posted on 03 March 2010 7:26pm
  • There must be more than 60 cars affected! I brought a Euro because the Mazda 6 seemed spartan by comparison. I have had the same problems aforementioned too. Battery dead, centre console rattle, electric steering vague and jittery, poor paint finish, easily scratched, and now the pinging started. I would have expected more from Honda. I filled in the questionaire about my concerns to Honda but obviously they don't care.

    Rob Lockwood of Mount Gambier Posted on 24 February 2010 9:07pm
  • Although i can understand how upset the people are who own the affected vehicle's i think you need to spare a thought for the dealers who's hand are tied and are forced to give you the news face to face not hiding behind a telephone. I really do hope for everyone's sake that all affected cars are fixed as i can imagine that i who has never owned a brand new who you all feel. All the best.

    John of Port Macquarie Posted on 09 February 2010 2:23pm
  • All Accords in South Africa as well and Honda South africa also playing it down.......I am going to see what the consumer rights act has to say about this........they also took my car in to "Repair" it and anytime I go over 3000 revs it still pings!!! nevermind the hectic whhoooing road noise on the front right.....i am deeply dissappointed in Honda......never again!!!!

    Fryderyk Grochowina of South Africa, Rustenburg, North West Posted on 05 February 2010 11:13pm
  • Look like I am one of the "60". I wonder if this is a true estimate of the total number of "pinging" Euros. Pinging started after the 1500k service. Didn't get a chance to do anything about it until the next service. Complained about the engine noise at the 10000k service and they confirmed that Honda were aware of the problem and that a fix was available. They loaned me a brand new Euro while mine was being fixed, it was a totally different car. Dead quiet! Picked up my car and was pleased to hear a much quieter engine. I can still hear pinging in some situations and I will be taking it back to the Service guys when I get a chance. Sure hope that the engine has not been damaged after driving for nearly 10000k with the engine pinging. I have noticed that the fuel economy has improved slightly. I have not reset the trip comp since new, at 10000k it was 10.3l/100k now at 13000k it is 10.0l/100k (lots of city driving). Always filled the car with Shell VPower. I bought this car because I was so happy with my previous 2004 version that I decided to update. I am now regretting the decision

    Bob Pedley of Brisbane Posted on 02 February 2010 7:34am
  • HI ALL, I am in Sydney, looking to purchase Accord Euro base model. Does the pinging issue still exists in new built model. ANyone knows when we will receive the 2010 built euro here. Thanks Raja

    Raja of Sydney Posted on 02 January 2010 12:27am
  • It is now Januery 2010 and my 2008 car still has this very annoying engine Knock of wich Honda continue to play down. If they spent as much time solving the problem as they do trying to cover it up they may acheive a better resault.To sujest that only a few cars still have the problem is a cop out as I know of other people with the same issues.I purchased this car a retirement car but it has turned out to be the biggest mistake I could have made.Shame on Honda Australia for not solving this problem to my satisfaction.

    Kim Sheridan of Perth W.A. Posted on 01 January 2010 12:32pm
  • Pleased to hear that the pinging noise from the engine of current Accord Euro is now fixed. It was a pity that the 60 odd cars incident drove some potential buyers away and gave some Mazda 6 owners the thrill and doubt of thinking their car is better then the Accord Euro. I loved the design of both Mazda 6 and Accord Euro but I bought the Accord Euro bases upon its classier look over the flamboyant futuristic Mazda 6. Regardless which car is faster or better handler, I wondered if the average driver like myself would ever have the skill to find out the car's ability at its ulmost limit. Not too long ago a friend of mine's 2007 911 wrapped around a tree and he thought he has got a good car.

    pigxy Posted on 29 December 2009 2:40pm
  • Yes... Sept '09, one year exactly since buying the car, it's now fixed and running the way it should be. haven't gone back to 95 yet and don't think i will. as for fuel economy, sydney western suburbs to brisbane bypass on one tank. finally happy with my new car.

    will rusca of queensland Posted on 29 September 2009 8:47pm
  • Hi All, Well i have had the knock sensors and software upgrade and can report that the pinging is 99% fixed. I'm current tank of fuel is 95RON (E10) if it does ping which is very rare it will only happen once or twice before the engine managment backs of the timing to put an end to it. On 98 RON its faultless. The engine runs much smoother and still performs well in the upper rev range. The gear box shift pattern is also different, it seems to go to the higher gears sooner. i have treid 3 different fuels and so far i'm happy with the results. My only gripe is i think it has lost a little performance off the mark, it has however improved slightly in the 2,500-4,500 rangeThe mod has worked for me, good luck to all with your upgrades.

    Brad M of Brisbane Posted on 12 September 2009 12:05am
  • I cannot believe this will work!

    Vor Bestellen of Aion-Tower of Eternity Posted on 29 July 2009 6:50am
  • I am really disappointed with Honda, because of a number of issues, Firstly because of this annoying noise which has always disrupted my feeling of driving a new car. Secondly the Battery went dead after 6 months!!! and it was not covered by the warranty!!! the third issue is that after each service the fuel consumption has risen by two litres! When I purchased the car, it used to consume around 9, but now it is around 13.5. If Honda is not able to come up with the solution, the they should replace those 60 cars.

    Hamed Farahani of Sydney Posted on 23 July 2009 1:44pm
  • ADD 1 MORE TO THE LIST PICKED UP 24-12-08 AND HAVE RUN 98RON FROM THEN ON .REPORTED IT TO DEALER WHO CONFIRMED - SORT OF; THE NOISE IN THE ENGINE AFTER THE 6 MONTH SERVICE THE NOISE IS STILL THERE AND A HONDA ISTALLED BLUETOOTH UNIT THAT WON'T STOP RATTELING !! 09 LUX SAT ALL THE TRIMMINGS $53000 DISAPOINTING FROM HONDA WHO HAVE - A WONDERFULL REPUTATION! FOR BUILD QUALITY FROM JAPAN!!

    CAR085 of Armidale NSW Posted on 14 July 2009 11:17pm
  • My diesel, yes that’s right, I have a Honda Euro Diesel, well that’s what it sounds like, like all of you I have a rattling mass under the bonnet. I have been assured that Honda will honour any failures related to this problem but I must admit to being disappointed with my first Honda. In most other respects this is a very good car, it is well appointed, handles well, performance is OK for the weight of the car and engine size. I work for a large Japanese company and understand the way they work, any problem that shows up in the market is taken seriously by the Japanese, rest assured they will resolve this problem, lets hope that it is not at the cost of performance or the need to run V Power (Shell) This seems to be the only fuel I can run in this can without going deaf! Good luck to all.

    Brad M of Brisbane Posted on 14 July 2009 9:27pm
  • Yes we are very dissapointed with Honda. We selected Honda because we thought we would be getting a proven high tech car. What we ended up with along with more than 60 others is a load of rubbish. Not only do we have an engine that sounds like a diesel and knocking itself to pieces, but not one letter or communication from Honda in 6 months. Absolutely disgraceful. I have also been told that this will do no harm to the engine ! Do Honda realy think we are that stupid, the knocking sound is piston slap due to pre-ignition, piston slap means premiture engine wear. I will not bother with Honda again, and I for one will do what I can to pursewade potential buyers to considerer an alternative manufacture.

    Robert Lowe of Perth, Australia Posted on 13 July 2009 1:09am
  • I have already contacted Honda Australia, and they have told me that they have come out with some sort of engine sensors to overcome this noise....i totally agree with you all that the number is very likely to be more than 50-60. I was very disappointed myself with this irritating noise from the engine. I hope they resolve this issue!!!

    Mick Posted on 07 July 2009 12:02am
  • I have the same problem with my manual Euro!! today i droped my car to the dealer, they told me it's somthing about the knock sensor. And ask me to wait for the call. what can i do? can i replace my car???????

    Marco of Vic Posted on 06 July 2009 11:17pm
  • Holly hell, my car had the same problem honda told me today it could take up to 12months for them to have a solutions for this problem!!!! this article says they've found a solution i don't know who or what to believe i shouldn't have brought the Type R or another car a car with less gizmos etc and yes they told me the same crap change your fuel type to premium, i agree with the comments to ping my accord euro clearly states unleaded when it should be running Premium this is crap I'm guttered 45,000$ gone ,they don't make them like they use too...

    Vtec of NSW Posted on 03 July 2009 6:19pm
  • The pinging issue is a serious and very common problem that Honda Australia has done its best to play-down but have not succeeded. Acura TSX owners in the USA have reported the same problem but there they are really being fobbed-off by Acura. I am surprised that no Australian owners have complained to the ACCC who have the power to make Honda do a general recall and even force them to compensate owners. Suggesting that owners use 98 RON petrol whereas the car is sold as only requiring 95 RON contravenes the Trade Practices Act on misleading conduct/advertising. This is amongst the most serious offences under the Trade Practices Act. Honda should be taken to task on this.

    Ping Posted on 03 July 2009 12:50am
  • I am plagued with this problem as well which is very irritating, plus 1 month ago some popping/clicking noises started from the steering wheel. Just yesterday another sound started from the front/left tyre - sort of a runbling sound like the tyre is flat. The car is currently with the dealer and they are working on the last 2 problems. I have been back to the dealer 3 times now and the car is 6 months old, I feel like I have bought a lemon even though it's a brand new car. Should have gone with a Mazda 6 instead!!

    Tau of VIC Posted on 25 June 2009 1:35pm
  • I am disappointed with this 'post combustion engine noise' issue that has plagued my car and how long Honda has taken to come up with a resolution. They are definitely playing down the issue. All things considered, the Euro is still an excellent car. With the stereo on, the knocking is forgotten, the car drives like a dream and is extremely difficult to fault especially on winding country roads. Nothing in the price range comes close.

    Ben of Perth Posted on 18 June 2009 11:56pm
  • Honda Australia ought to be ashamed of themselves because they were trying to cover up the problem! The Honda brand is mud and does not represent quality anymore and that can also be said for their entire vehicle range. Incidentally, the battery went dead on my neighbour's new Jazz which they bought only a few months ago.

    DC Posted on 22 May 2009 2:00am
  • Guys, Honda used to represent quality. Now they built god knows where and all they care is profit. But the point is - why would you consider buying this ugly looking car?

    Daving Posted on 19 May 2009 3:15pm
  • OK I will try to post again!! I love most things Honda but this is pretty bad news for EURO Owners. I understood pinging occurred because of poor fuel, low RON rated fuel being used in a high compression engine or due to ignition timing issues. Pinging occurs due to preignition of some or most of the fuel/air mix in the combustion chamber rather than a clean burn/explosion of fuel/air mix at the desired cycle of the engine, the ping being felt/heard as a knock. I do NOT agree with two comments in the CarsGuide Story, firstly IF Honda Dealers are suggesting EURO Owners use 98RON to temporarily overcome pinging then there IS an impact on fuel consumption, albeit the price at the Bowser, 98RON is expensive stuff!! Secondly the comment that no engine damage will result from pinging, well that's a big call, pinging or knocking does increase the operating temperature of an engine and is NOT desirable in terms of smooth running, bearing stress over the longer term and the increased heat issue is the last thing a new modern 'tight' engine needs. Honda and their Dealer Network should provide full details to EURO Owners, shoulder the burden of 98RON usage and certify affected engines with an enhanced Warranty.

    deejay51 of Gold Coast, Oz Posted on 19 May 2009 2:00pm
  • I am very, very unhappy with my Euro. I have travelled 20,000km since buying the car in July 2008, pinging all the way. I am staggered at reports that new owners are still being told by Honda dealerships that they should try using 98 RON petrol to fix this problem. This shows a lack of respect to their customers and is downright deceitful. By the time my car is fixed (if this ever happens) I will have long since lost the opportunity to enjoy the "new car" experience. Honda should be compensating people for this loss - it is real and tangible. It really is a terrible and embarrassing noise to experience in a car of this ilk.

    Brad Posted on 18 May 2009 8:21pm
  • I cannot believe that only 60 cars had been affected so far. My car has the pinging problem. So does my friend's one. And from what i can gather from various online forums, there is a strong inidcation that it's well over 60 incidents, if not all Euro with 2.4-litre four-cylinder engine. I will now make a complaint to Honda Australia (rather than just to a dealer which i had done early this year) to ensure that they know about this. Not happy about this.

    Joseph Posted on 16 May 2009 5:54pm
  • At least we have 'outed' Honda on this one - and we have spoken to owners about the problem. As for the COTY win, it was not the Carsguide team as we decided there was not enough new stuff to make it even an outside contender. All your questions need to be answered by Honda, so that's where they are going. PG ---------------------------- Dear Carsguide, In regards to your above article. Did you consider to interview any owners of this vehicle before printing this article? Do these people know what they are talking about, 50 cars my ASS, maybe they should disclose the real number of cars that are affected, and the amount of time these cars have been affected for, I know of people that have reported this problem in JUNE 2008! Is Honda Australia going to provide an additinal warranty for the owners of these vehicles? Is Honda Australia going to compensate those owners? Will their fix affect the performance or fuel consumption? Why haven't the owners of these Vehicles been notified and simply just been given the run around? "Car of the Year" yeah right... Honda get your act together. Carsguide, get the facts. I bet you don't print this comment... Because it's the truth!

    Ali of Sydney Posted on 16 May 2009 9:55am
  • Good news, albeit too late for some. After reading hundreds of complaints about the engine "pinging" on online forums, and hearing from my local dealer two weeks ago that the only problem was "a handful of people using the standard unleaded instead of PULP 95", I have forgone my first choice and signed on the dotted line for a Mazda6 last week.

    Cliff Scridloe Posted on 15 May 2009 11:42pm
  • According to the OZHONDA forum there are numerous owners of the new Honda Accord Euro out there that have this so called unknown issue. I honestly believe Honda Australia is trying to play down the extent of this problem. There would have to be atleast 60 owners on OZHONDA with this problem and this only represents a very small fraction of the so called 9000-10000 Honda Accord Euro owners out there.

    Unity of Melbourne Posted on 15 May 2009 11:40pm
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