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Porsche questions GT-R Ring claim

  • By Paul Gover
  • Herald Sun
image Porsche questions GT-R Ring claim.

Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.

Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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  • GTR is fabulous value for money, no doubt. Porsche isn't. Viper's still faster and it's a real car. No AWD, no traction control, no auto transmission. Just a great chassis, big brakes and a monster engine. Sign me up !

    Guy Oakes of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 3:16pm
  • look at the car that's $160,000 and the other car that's $340,000. Porsche would have to be threatened by the GT-R. run them both again, with officials present and see which one gets the best time. simple.

    Anthony blyth of Merrylands, NSW Posted on 30 September 2008 3:15pm
  • Well Well Well, SOme people care some dont, about which car is faster by a half of a second Which car is faster? it all depends, which driver? which weather? which tyre? but in the end the GTR is simply the Best supercar in the world, no, not for looks or performance, just plain value for your money! Even if it is slower than a Porsche, I still want one, and after selling my 2001 GTR34 V spec2 I will be getting one very soon. The $250000 I save from not buying the Porsche, I can spend on the missus and she wont complain so much!

    Nigel SNow of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 3:11pm
  • So why isn't a 3rd party comparing these two cars on the Nurburgring? That way people can get off their high-horses about the GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's a modern great, as are the Porches, but someone OTHER than the factories needs to get a clear result, then we can all get some sleep.

    Simon of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 3:10pm
  • Both cars are exceptional, but if the GTR had been modified to perform faster then the production model Nissan deserve to be caught out.

    Chris Schembri Posted on 30 September 2008 3:03pm
  • Lets see Sabina Schmidt in both of them back to back and then the truth will come out. Both cars are good but I agree the figures don't quite add up.

    AG of Melb Posted on 30 September 2008 3:02pm
  • Looks like and independant head to head is needed.

    Ted Perry of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 2:58pm
  • Lies, lies and more lies......until my GT2, Turbo and R 35 GTR arrive in my garage and I ship them to the "Ring", and I learn how to drive fast, I will remain confused. We are after the 'true" faster car, around Nurburgring, between these three regardless of make, price or ethnicity aren't we? Best we wait until Top Gear solve this conumdrum for us!

    ross kroger Posted on 30 September 2008 2:54pm
  • All I can say that a Seiko Watch migh look good and tell good time but its never going to be a "ROLEX" if you know what I mean, You only get what you pay for remember..

    robert lane of CBD Posted on 30 September 2008 2:52pm
  • I am inclined to believe Porsche in this. I however would love to see a fully independent test of this. For any production car to beat the GT2 is phenominal. However the fact that the GTR is less than 40% of the price of the GT2 I think is even more phenominal.

    DM of Melbourne Posted on 30 September 2008 2:12pm
  • TeH GTR can NeVaR LoSE!@1!!!!eleven!!1!one!!

    random of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 1:43pm
  • if they have the evidence to back it up i dont see why not i mean anything can happen haha just wait for the v spec to come out

    yang of perth Posted on 30 September 2008 12:59pm
  • oh no, ze must go back to the drawhing board, the japanese are coming with a faster and cheaper car.

    heath of brisbane Posted on 30 September 2008 12:53pm
  • Looks like Porsche feels a little threatened that a car costing less than half the price of its own cars, and not built in Germany, can be such a strong performer. I agree with Peter, I think Porsche should stop criticising the GTR.

    Sam of Brisbane Posted on 30 September 2008 10:57am
  • Boo hoo - porsche is spooked.

    fred Posted on 30 September 2008 10:56am
  • When the R35 GTR first hit the ring and broke 911 Turbo record, it was a wet track, so semi-slick would've be a disastrous choice. The GTR then smashed the record again while test driving the V-Spec model. Porsche, stop criticising the GTR and finds ways of improving!

    Peter North of Sydney Posted on 30 September 2008 10:13am

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