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Porsche questions GT-R Ring claim

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image Porsche questions GT-R Ring claim.

Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.

Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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  • Very nice site!

    alexc272 of USA Posted on 08 December 2009 2:00pm
  • only 2o kilos heavier??? well I think GT-R's balance is more optimal then 911 so that is not very strong argument:) in my opinion of course:)))

    O.J of LTU Posted on 14 November 2009 6:50pm
  • Porsche or Nissan they are all good cars, it up to the driver to choose which one to own, people have different tastes and needs, some have different view, like me, i prefer a car that easy to get in and get out, that i can brought my wife in it and wont complain about aircon, or road noise , for me GTR has better value, less price, with good interior, audio, upholstery - for jap standards. Porsche GT2 and GT3 may have spartan interior and race feeling, but honestly if you drive your car for daily commuter, GTR will still be a better choice, GTR could also compete on par with Porsches best with all comfort and luxury intact and almost half the price. If want more, we can always upgrade our GTR easily, there are kits and track packages available in US, Japan and Europe, and this is where GTR excels most - enormous possibility in modifications - want a 700PS or 800PS GTR, easy weesy, just buy a kit for it, try do that on a Porsche or Ferrari or Lamborghini, you will have thousands of thought over lots of dilemma such as price, only a few could afford Gembala, RUF, KOENIG, etc and they still could be beaten on the track by a modded GTR with less than half the price smile

    Lukey Dopey - loves anything with turbos and over of Sydney, Australia Posted on 02 November 2009 4:48pm
  • Ridiculous. The standard tyre on the GTR IS a semi-slick. Stock. I don't know what porsche are complaining about with the tyres, more than likely they are jealous that they have stripped out EVERYTHING of comfort in their GT2 model and their Turbo model is still left wanting whereas the GTR has all the features of a modern car, with all the grunt and better handling than a GT2/Turbo. It's been proven time and again around MANY tracks around the world so far that the GTR is faster car around racetracks, not necessarily the better car FOR the racetrack, but still the faster car. Complain all you want, the proof is already out there.

    Chris of Perth Posted on 29 September 2009 7:12pm
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  • GTR is the better than Porsche, the biggest reason is, I can get to my local bakery one second faster in the GTR than the Porsche, impressive result. Hope this puts all this in perspective.

    larry smith of Mount Olympus Looking Down Posted on 15 November 2008 7:15pm
  • I was at Silverstone for the first day of their "Race Academy". I have had many Porsche - 996 Turbo and 997 Turbo (coupe & cab.). I can therefor compare the cars - unlike most other Pundits!! Belive me, in the real world and for the average skilled driver, the GT-R is so easy to drive fast AND gives confidence so to do. I would have argued with anyone that Porsche/Ferarri brakes are the best - wait till you try the GT-R! The inside is not that bad.

    Tony Heague Posted on 04 November 2008 5:50am
  • *sighs* Hasn't Nissan learned it's lesson yet? every 8 years or so, Nissan releases a 'new' GTR, proclaim it as the world's best sports car, but only have it fade into obscurity time and time again, because it couldn't perform in the real world. And all the while, Porsche and Ferrari continue their dominance decade after decade. Nissan is the boy who has cried wolf far too many times. *sighs*

    jason smyth Posted on 12 October 2008 12:41am
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