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Lemon laws protect you

  • By Bill McKinnon
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New laws aim to end service and warranty hassles -- if you get a dud, you can claim a replacement.

YOU used to have Buckley's chance of returning a dreaded lemon to the car dealer for a replacement or a refund.

As for being compensated for the inconvenience, aggravation, lost income and costs racked up while taking the car from hell to the dealer for a further non-fix under warranty, well, make that virtually no chance either.

Many Australian consumers have tried but only a few very determined people have succeeded, usually after long, expensive battles against squads of car company lawyers in various courts.

The new Australian Consumer Law (ACL), developed by the states and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, came into force on January 1 this year. It's not as tough as US lemon laws, but it gives you much more protection than the maze of state and federal consumer regulations you previously had to navigate to make a case that your car resembled a particularly bitter variety of citrus fruit.

The Australian Consumer Law applies to most goods and services, including new and used cars, except those bought at auction or private sale, where you're still basically on your own.

When you buy a car from a dealer, you now have the protection of legally enforceable consumer guarantees, including that the car is of acceptable quality (which includes being safe, free from defects and durable) and reasonably fit for any purpose you specify when buying it, such as towing.

If you have what the ACL calls a major failure with your car, you are entitled to return it to the dealer to claim a refund, or a replacement -- your choice of an identical new car or one of similar value.

A major failure is when a reasonable consumer would not have bought the car if they had known about the problem, or when the car is substantially unfit for its normal purpose.

In other words -- the car is a lemon.

If you have a minor problem with the car, the dealer is still allowed to fix it under warranty. If you have to get your car fixed at another workshop, you're entitled to claim the cost from the dealer who sold you the car.

However, if the dealer can't fix the problem within a reasonable time, you are also entitled to a refund or a replacement.

So the classic tactic of some dealers and manufacturers stringing you along by saying, ``Just bring it back and we'll try to fix it under warranty'' time and again until the warranty runs out, will no longer work.

And when the warranty expires you are still protected by the ACL's consumer guarantees -- but a used car's age and kilometres since you bought it will be taken into account when determining your entitlements.

The ACL also addresses one of the other great traps of the car business -- the extended warranty. Many new and used car buyers have paid thousands of dollars for one of these, on the (mis)understanding that, first, it's the only way to cover themselves against repair costs when the factory warranty runs out and, second, that when they make a claim under the warranty, it will be honoured.

Those same car buyers have often found, to their great cost, that these extended warranties sometimes are not worth the paper they are written on.

They are, first and foremost, a way to increase a dealer's profit margin on the car. Most have very onerous conditions, including mandatory servicing schedules at the dealer who sold you the car. In the worst cases, consumers have called the helpline number on the warranty policy only to find there's nothing other than an answering machine on the other end of the line.

The ACL states that manufacturers and dealers must not pressure you into buying an extended warranty, or tell you that you have to buy one.

In fact, you now have rights under the ACL's guarantees that are equal to or greater than any supposed benefits you're paying for under an extended warranty policy.

If you think you've bought a lemon, the first step is to tell the dealer.

``You should go to the dealer who sold you the car and point out to them that they are legally obliged to provide you with a car that does what it is supposed to do under the ACL consumer guarantees,'' Katrina Lee from Choice says.

Dealers can no longer pass the buck by telling you to take your car's problems up with the manufacturer. The dealer is responsible, under the ACL, for providing you with a replacement or a refund. The dealer can then sort out reimbursement from the manufacturer. That's his problem, not yours.

However, the ACL also imposes similar customer guarantee obligations on manufacturers and importers, including car companies.

A manufacturer must guarantee, to you, the consumer, that the new car you have bought is of acceptable quality and matches the description on which you based your decision to buy it. A manufacturer must also guarantee the availability of repairs and spare parts for a reasonable time after you have bought the car.

If the manufacturer fails to meet one of these consumer guarantees, you also have rights against them.

You are entitled to ask for an amount covering the drop in value of the car as a consequence of the manufacturer's failure to meet any consumer guarantee.

You are also entitled to claim compensation for costs such as lost time, income or productivity caused by the problems with your car.

``We would hope that dealers understand that if they don't take these consumer guarantees seriously, then they leave themselves open to action from the ACCC,'' Lee says.

If the dealer wants to argue about whether your car is a lemon, tells you to keep bringing it back for warranty repairs or simply refuses to acknowledge your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you should notify the ACCC, the federal regulator responsible for ensuring that dealers and manufacturers comply with the law, and contact the consumer tribunal in your state or territory, which will advise you on how to get some long overdue lemon-aid.

CONTACTS

ACCC: accc.gov.au
NSW: fairtrading.nsw.gov.au
Vic: consumer.vic.gov.au
Qld: fairtrading.qld.gov.au
SA: ocba.sa.gov.au
WA: commerce.wa.gov.au
Tas: consumer.tas.gov.au
ACT: ors.act.gov.au
NT: consumeraffairs.nt.gov.au

THE AMERICAN WAY

Most US states define a lemon as a vehicle with a significant fault that can't be fixed in three or four attempts, or is out of service for 30 days, in the first 12-24 months.

Some states allow only one attempt to fix a safety related fault, on the basis that a consumer should not have to risk his or her life several times for a safety defect.

California passed the first lemon law in the US in 1970 after a Ford lobbyist, who was asked how many times was reasonable to repair a vehicle under warranty, answered that sometimes even 40 was not enough for an elusive electrical problem.

Before the lemon laws, American consumers obtained only 500 refunds from manufacturers annually. Today there are more than 100,000 ``buybacks'' each year. The laws also address the extended warranty trap

LEMON #1

MR X had a few problems, over eight months, with his new 2001 model Falcon ute -- two failed motors, two failed clutches, one failed gearbox, engine noise and shock absorber woes.

A lemon? Not according to the NSW Consumer, Trader and Tenancy Tribunal which, despite finding that Mr X's ute was not of merchantable quality, was ``satisfied that neither the dealer nor the manufacturer was aware of the defects before the sale of the car''.

It also found the dealer ``had rectified all identified defects and, although the manufacturer took six months to identify the systemic problem, it did honour its warranty by providing replacement parts''. Mr X's claim for a refund or replacement was dismissed.

LEMON #2

MR Y's new 2003 model Land Rover Freelander had two failed clutches, steering fluid leaks, wheel alignment, fuel injection and brake problems, a failed turbocharger and other faults. In all, these put it off the road for more than 100 days.

Despite finding the car's owner had ``to some degree been inconvenienced'', the NSW tribunal rejected his claim for a refund, finding that he had ``been fairly compensated'' with a hire car, towing and repairs.

FIX IT, FRED

THE Australian Consumer Law has specific consumer guarantees for services, which include car repairs and servicing.

They must be done with due care and skill and within a reasonable time. If there is a major failure with a service meeting a consumer guarantee, you can claim a refund or compensation for the difference between the service you asked for and the service you got.

If the dealer refuses to rectify the problem or takes too long, you can get someone else to fix it and ask the dealer to pay reasonable costs.

Comments on this story

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  • Purchased a new Mazda BT 50 ute for work Engine seized after 10 Kilometres I have lost 3 days work before dealer provided replacement vehicle. I have a morgage like any one else dealer says i must pursue Mazda to be to be compensated for time lost They have provided me with other vehicle but don't seem to understand i have a business to run and need my own vehicle to run business properly I can not install tool boxes in new vehicle with out drilling holes into tray of loan car so I am driving around with unsecured tool boxes in back. If I have an accident I will wear work tools Dealer says he does not have to replace car and could have repaired under warrantie I am out of pocket over $2000.00 and can not get a answer when new car will be in town.

    Dale Bicheno (dont buy a mazda) of Darwin Posted on 18 April 2012 7:57pm
  • I have a 2010 Ford Fiesta which has been unsuitable from day 1 - the transmission is awful - doesn't pick the correct gear so bunnyhops down the road, backfiring and sometimes at low speeds just stops before lurching forwards. I feel so unsafe and was told by Sunshine Ford that it was "a known fault and there is nothing we can do about it".

    Will Never Buy Ford Again of Gold Coast, Queensland Posted on 20 March 2012 10:23am
  • GREAT GREAT GREAT HELP THIS STORY THANK YOU SO SO SO MUCH!!!..brand new mazda 2 2011 model, 5 months old.. needs NEW ENGINE and TRANSMISSION and DRIVESHAFT... CD PLAYER and the CRUISE they sold to us stuffed the car up - kept throwing engine errors and electrical errors..HAVEN'T HAD CAR for a MONTH!!! AND STILL WONT GET IT FOR ANOTHER 3 WEEKS OR SO..!!! FURIOUS!!!!! very very DISAPPOINTED!!!!

    FURIOUS mazda driver. of Adelaide Posted on 06 March 2012 5:23pm
  • Is my car a lemon? We own a VW 125kw Diesel Passat, close to a 1/4 (quarter) of the cost of the car has been spent in repairs. 1. The Mechatronic unit ($3000+) 2. Handbrake Switch stop working (Approx $300+) 3. Oil Cooler leaked into coolant tank (approx $2000+). 4 Immobiliser Problems, had to replace the Electric Steering Column Lock and Bolt as required, we were told it was a $2k job. 5. This is the best, Engine had cut out and wouldn't start anymore, (Fuse?, thats what I thought, simple yeah - Well, No Actually) The diagnostic found one of the injectors had back fired and blew the loom so all four (4) injectors and the loom had to be replaced. We were told this was a $3500 job. Okay the car has now done 55,000Kms. The only praise I can give is our local dealership fought hard for us to have all these costs covered by VW Australia. I have just tried asking some sort of piece of mind warranty and they have just shut the door on me saying "no compensation", I asked to speak with a manager & was told their managers won't speak to customers, how rude. I will be relentless in my quest to tell people about our vehicle problems so they can make an informed decision before buying a VWP

    VW Problems have lost my faith in car of the year! of Adelaide Posted on 07 February 2012 5:30pm
  • We bought a new VW Golf 2009 and 6 months before the warranty ends, it has also had to get the engine replaced due to a "software" issue so we were told. Since it has had this work done, other issues have been surfacing within a 4 week period to the point that it's been in the shop 3 more times - to get a clutch and a water pump replaced. My advise - don't ever buy a VW or deal with the Denlo group in Parramatta NSW. They are shocking.

    Frustrated Customer of Sydney Posted on 06 January 2012 3:34pm
  • Wish me luck, I am just about to take my case to Holden Dealer as I bought a Holden Cruze 2010 and have had it back 3 times including a new Transmission...still not fixed!

    Deborah Murphy of Brisbane Posted on 05 January 2012 9:57pm
  • Warrick, I feel your pain. I have a VW Golf and it's been problematic from the beginning - I've had whole new engines in mine. Shocking service and all VW say is to purchase extended warranty! Why should I do that when I spent SO much on the car in the 1st place. I'll never buy a VW again and most definitely never buy a new car again either. Epic fail.

    Will never buy a new car again of Sydney Posted on 19 December 2011 10:41am
  • Bought a used car 30/7/2011, 2009 Ford Focus with NC Warranty. Car has transmission malfunction numerous times. Gears obviously not in sink. Car battery replaced. They rebooted the computer 1st time, did not touch it the 2nd time, said they need the fault code off the car while still running, 3rd time took it to them with the indicator on. Played around with it a bit and took it to another Ford Transmission Dealer pulled the transmission apart and replace a few washers, flushed it out found end cover excessively worn ring grooves, replaced all damaged parts, supposedly, said all was ok. 4th time did it again, took it back. Car said fault PO 731, stands for Gear 1 has incorrect ratio. Ford dealer sent it to the Ford transmission Specialists again. Were going to put a reconditioned transmission in the car. They rang the next day and said could not get the car to fault. Had the car 3 days. Did nothing basically. Back at Dealer. Said they would check the car over thoroughly today. Bull****.I said I don't wont the car back unless they put it in writting that the car is fit to drive. Don't Trust Ford. Pack of liars. Money back no go. They are going to take no notice of these lemon laws.

    Suzie Llewellyn of Beaumaris Posted on 16 December 2011 11:39am
  • @ Luke with the Focus. I had a 2006 Falcon with numerous issues. I went straight to Ford Corporate with the list of issues i'd had with the car from brand new and after numerous returns to the dealer with no rectification. Ford responded and resprayed the whole car twice! Brakes were shot but not replaced. I put an after market set on it. Shouldn't have to happen with a brand new car. My advice, persistence and politeness. Call the Ford Customer Relationship Centre in Melbourne and follow it up with a letter. Can't guarantee they'll act but they can't just ignore it. Also try ACA - Tracy Grimshaw failing the above but advised Ford that is what you are doing first as it may persuade them to believe you are to be taken seriously.

    Shane of Brisbane Posted on 14 December 2011 1:29pm
  • My wife bought a new Jetta and a fortnight after we got it, it was back in the dealer for engine repairs, which they can't identify. They've had it three weeks now (longer than we have) and VW Australia and the dealer just keep pushing the issue back on each other.

    Warrick Wynne of Melbourne, AU Posted on 09 December 2011 10:19am
  • I have a 2008 Ford Focus. It has had numerous problems all replaced under warranty, flywheel assembly and clutch, power-steering pump, fuel-pump and fuel sender, body panel issues, radio, serpentine belt, front wheel bearings (twice), throttle body. It is still having problems. There is now an electronic fault with the a/c and headlights. Problems started at 25 000km and the car is now at 58 000km. Ford has given me no support and has even denied that the ACL and Trade Practices Act existed. I will never by a Ford again, shame Ford, shame. They even denied my rights after a detailed email from the ACCC stating that I was entitled to a refund/replacement.

    Luke Posted on 13 November 2011 2:20pm
  • Yes I agree, these laws are well over due, its about whats fair rather than whats good for business. In my experience (6 cars all under warranty) Ford AU are the worst car company / dealership for hone ring warranty issues and the best at spinning stories until the warranty runs out. All you have to do is (if you have a spare few weeks) read all the many complaints regarding warranty and new Fords. Ford should be ashamed of themselves very un-Australian absolute rubbish backed up by more rubbish. Yes I have just spent the last 18 months sorting out problem after problem car went back 10+ times, finally at the end half the car was replaced, transmission, differential, suspension + more. All worked out in the end! The car now a few months out of warranty has had at a personal cost of 2.5k + extra things fixed/changed in an attempt to fix reoccurring issues that Ford claimed 'are within an acceptable normal operating range' and now more things are going wrong its such a piece of junk what an idiot I am for buying a Ford. I hope petrol prices go up even more so nobody has any need for V6 an V8 cars anymore. Please people - search the internet for mass complaints before buying ;-(

    Prof. Wane Moopsy of Melbourne, Oztraliya Oy! Posted on 25 October 2011 5:47am
  • I bought a new Patrol 18 months ago and it has been in the dealership workshops for a total of 98 Days and counting. Dealership is negotiating with Nissan Australia to see if they will come up with the shortfall between loan amount and cars current value. so for Nissan has been stalling.

    Paul Bright of Perth Posted on 13 August 2011 7:54pm
  • I bought a Nissan Patrol from a dealer here in Perth the vehicle has had a new diff replacement during its 3 year warranty period. Now the vehicle has been into them 6 times to have a loud clung noise heard under the chassis. They still have not fixed it. The car ran out of warranty only in June, but the problem has been going on now for over 6 months, think I will be taking this to the ACCC if they don't fix it this time. I am sick and tired of taking this vehicle back and forth to the dealer, each time they have had this car for a week. It's in with them now I am suppose to get it back tomorrow lets see if its fixed this time.

    JOANNE - BALLAJURA of Perth Western Australia Posted on 19 July 2011 4:56pm
  • I can't fit my issue on here but check out my problems via the australian ford forums, and look up the thread `my fpv lemon'. You can read why we need LEMON laws in australia.

    Lyndon of Townsville Posted on 30 May 2011 4:19pm
  • I purchased a BRAND NEW Polo 1.5 litre DSG in late June 2010. THe DSG Warning has come up on the Console on NUMEROUS occasions. VW Australia's SILENCE is ABSOLUTELY DEAFENING. I have asked for a COMPLETE REFUND and a NEW CAR - NO RESPONSE from VW THe Dealer has bent over backwards to assist VW should fly a Senior Technician out from Germany to fix it NO RESPONSE from VW again

    Quentin Robbins of Sydney Australia Posted on 19 May 2011 10:24pm
  • I could have used these laws a few years ago bought a 2000 cougar lots of problem and no one has been able to fix them not even ford absolute s*** box in the first month of ownership had abs mod rebuilt and fuel module replaced thankfully under warrant otherwise it would have cost $6,000 to fix not to mention all the recalls on the car in the state yet only 1 recall hear go figure.

    Raymond of victoria Posted on 18 May 2011 9:04pm
  • I recently took delivery of a new Mazda vehicle that was delivered with a seat that was loose. The dealer was notified within 1/2 hour of delivery. The handbrake of the vehicle also failed and caused significant damage to my premises. Upon returning the vehicle to the dealer, they refused to acknowledge fault with the handbrake, and told me they no longer would repair my vehicle and that I was to take the car to another dealer. All condoned by Mazda. The seat is still loose and the car has been in the dealership multiple times with the last visit being 1 month off the road. Numerous parts have been fitted and then was informed by Mazda that the movement in my seat is normal, despite not providing me with specifications or details of their measurements, so I can have the vehicle independently assessed. May be someone can help me Office of Fair Trading are only mediators and have limited financial scope.

    6 owner of Sydney Posted on 17 May 2011 9:20pm
  • I recently took delivery of a new Mazda vehicle that was delivered with a seat that was loose. The dealer was notified within 1/2 hour of delivery. The handbrake of the vehicle also failed and caused significant damage to my premises. Upon returning the vehicle to the dealer, they refused to acknowledge fault with the handbrake, and told me they no longer would repair my vehicle and that I was to take the car to another dealer. All condoned by Mazda. The seat is still loose and the car has been in the dealership multiple times with the last visit being 1 month off the road. Numerous parts have been fitted and then was informed by Mazda that the movement in my seat is normal, despite not providing me with specifications or details of their measurements, so I can have the vehicle independently assessed. May be someone can help me Office of Fair Trading are only mediators and have limited financial scope.

    6 owner of Sydney Posted on 17 May 2011 9:17pm
  • lets hope this has more teeth than the laws protecting people from crook home builders

    ray stanborough of bondi Posted on 17 May 2011 5:43pm
  • Lets hope these laws are going to protect the consumer with genuine vehicle hassles. I myself am about to put these laws to the test after my ve sportwagon has been returned to the dealer 22 times in 30 months with mainly electrical problems

    glenn of victoria Posted on 16 May 2011 7:47pm
  • Bull**** shane I got a VE Commodore and has been reliable and have had no problems.

    James Roze Posted on 14 May 2011 12:10pm
  • If only they had better laws for new units

    Dave Posted on 13 May 2011 3:49pm
  • Hey John & Shane... all makers have horror stories, some learn from them (thinking Mazda, Subaru, Renault and even Kia). Others have mixed improvement results: Ford and Holden (Aussie built vehicles have improved out of sight past 10 years). And then there are the absolutely woeful holden (i mean daewoo) vehicles like the craptiva and lanos/barina... WHY???? What does this all mean? When a mix of Euro or Japanese and Aussie and Korean companies work together = some good handling, reliable and worthy of consideration by consumers.

    stefano5050 of Hornsby Posted on 13 May 2011 2:47pm
  • .....and the predictable Ford and Holden bashing begins. Remember people there are alot of other makes out there and they to have issues even though not as widely reported as any Ford issue that may arise. Toyota recalls anyone???

    AJ Posted on 13 May 2011 12:21pm
  • ... and every Ford too, especially the woefully built Focus

    John Posted on 13 May 2011 10:23am
  • Naturally 'Lemon Laws' automatically cover every Holden sold.

    Shane of Central Queensland Posted on 12 May 2011 4:49pm
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