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Harsh penalties for new drivers

  • By Ashlee Pleffer
  • The Daily Telegraph
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New laws have come into force in New South Wales, placing further restrictions on L and P-Plate drivers.

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The Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) believes the changes will encourage greater road safety awareness among young drivers, those affected aren't completely in agreement. According to RTA statistics, young drivers represent 13 per cent of licensed drivers, yet they are involved in 26 per cent of all fatal crashes.

Under the new laws, which came into force recently, first-year P-platers will lose four points off their license if caught speeding. This ultimately means P1 drivers will lose their license if they speed in any way.

Another strict change will have P1 drivers losing three points if caught driving with more than one passenger under 21 between the hours of 11pm and 5am. This rule applies to all red P-plate drivers under 25 years of age.

Mobile phones will be completely banned while driving, taking away the option of hands-free and loudspeaker use. And L-plates and P-plates must be displayed outside the vehicle, meaning they are no longer allowed to sit inside the windscreen. Fines apply to all these infringements.

RTA road safety general manager, Dr Soames Job, says the new rules will encourage safer driving practices among new drivers.

“In broad terms, we're hoping to achieve a reduction in the road trauma, which is happening to, and being caused by, young drivers. We hope to do that by changing their behaviour,” he says.

Dr Job says advanced driver training courses aren't the solution as they can encourage young people to become overconfident in their abilities.

He says until the skill of driving has been mastered and is automatic, other factors are more likely to affect the driver.

“These problems aren't because of a lack of car-handling skills, they are a lack of judgement and a lack of caution,” he says.

Dr Job says P1 drivers account for about 7 per cent of licensed drivers, yet constitute 41per cent of infringements for driving 45km or more above the speed limit.

“I think that's really a damning statistic for young drivers,” he says.

“What we're saying is we're giving you a motivation not to take risks, or there's going to be a penalty.”

And while P1 drivers will be able to apply for an exemption for the extra passenger rule between 11pm and 5am for work and other commitments. Dr Job says this won't necessarily apply for driving people to and from work.

“The evidence says P1 drivers are more likely to have a serious crash when they have passengers on board,” he says.

“We will still have crashes, but I think these rules will reduce the number of severe and fatal crashes happening with provisional drivers.”

But it seems L-Plate and P-plate drivers don't altogether agree. The new laws will directly affect Sydney teenager Natasha Karagounis will be directly affected by the new laws, having obtained her license just three weeks ago. The 19-year-old says she was initially excited when getting her license, but was not very happy to learn about the new rules.

Karagounis says not all P-platers are bad drivers and they shouldn't be restricted because of the actions of others. “I have never had any problems at all, I think it's unfair some of us get stereotyped. There are these new rules for us when we've done nothing wrong,” she says.

As an older red P-plate driver, she is particularly annoyed about only being able to carry one passenger after 11pm.

“I go out a lot with friends, usually between 11pm and 5am,” she says. “Now I can only have one passenger.”

Karagounis often heads into the city and says she and her friends usually take it in turns to be designated driver. But not any more.

“We'll have to either get a train or taxi or everyone will have to drive now. It's really inconvenient,” she says. “Taxis cost a lot and trains stop at 2am, we'll have to wait until 5am.”

Karagounis says authorities shouldn't be targeting just P-platers and that some of the laws should be mandatory for everyone, such as a complete ban on mobile phones.

The university student also believes that losing your license for speeding is too strict.

“If you're not speeding a lot, like 5km over, I think it's a bit unfair to lose your license rather than lose just three points,” she says.

L-platers will also be affected by the changes. The compulsory 50 hours on-road experience will jump to 120 hours for anyone getting their license from this Sunday.

Dr Job says evidence shows the extra experience plays a big role in making young drivers more aware of what can go wrong and anticipating other drivers' behaviour.

Learner driver Paul Zergara is pleased he got his permit before the new laws apply. Over the past five months, he's clocked up 20 hours, mainly with a professional instructor. “My parents encourage me not to go with them, I think they're scared of me driving,” he says.

The 18-year-old says he feels sorry for new learners who will have to do the extra hours, especially those who will have to pay a professional instructor.

And he isn't looking forward to the extra restrictions once getting his provisional license.

Like Karagounis, he is concerned about only being able to drive one person after 11pm, especially with his youth group commitments, which would have had him driving other people home after 11pm. “I think it's unfair, it seems a bit stereotypical categorising all people as dangerous and bad,” he says.

While Zergara doesn't condone speeding, he thinks losing your license for the offence is a little harsh. And despite his disagreement with the new laws, he admits they will make him more cautious on the road. Both of the new drivers believe changing the laws seems like a quick fix and Zergara says he would like to see more education introduced.

“There should be more training, better understanding on how the car actually works, the test isn't really enough,” he says.

Meanwhile, the Monash University Accident Research Centre this week launched a campaign encouraging parents to become more involved with their children's driving.

They suggest parents sign a Vehicle Access Agreement with their child.

This formal agreement should place further conditions and restrictions on the young driver for the first 12 months of the P-plate period, limiting the time a young person can drive and the number of passengers they carry.


The new rules

Speeding

License suspension for any speeding offence for P1 car drivers and provisional motorbike riders. The penalty is a minimum of four demerit points and license suspended for at least three months. A fine also applies.

 

Mobile phones

A ban on all mobile phone use for learner, P1 car drivers and provisional motorbike riders. The penalty is three demerit points and a fine (or four demerit points if in a school zone). A fine also applies.

 

Curfew

P1 drivers under 25 must not drive between 11pm and 5am with more than one passenger under the age of 21. The penalty is three demerit points and a fine. Drivers can apply for an exemption if they drive a car with passengers at work, but not necessarily for getting to and from work.

 

Plate display

L- or P-plates may no longer be displayed from inside your vehicle. You must clearly display L- and P-plates on the front and back of the outside of the vehicle. The penalty is two demerit points and a fine.

 

Learners

Learner drivers getting a permit on or after July 1, 2007, will need to hold the permit for a minimum of 12 months and complete at least 120 hours of supervised driving (including 20 hours of night driving) before they can apply for their P1 license.

 

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  • last night i was parked on the side of the road past 11pm, and two of my friends came out of the party and sat in my car whilst waiting for their parents to come pick them up. The keys were still in the ignition as i wanted the heater on, but the engine wasnt turned on. The police arrived and they gave me a fine and i will therefore lose me licence for having the extra people in the car, even though i wasnt driving them everywhere and the engine was turned off. Death to all pigs.

    alex Posted on 04 October 2009 2:38pm
  • my first comment would be....from a recent event....my son being 16 yrs old and have a 50cc scooter was pulled over in respect on not having a number plate showing to the front of his bike, sadly there was one there and had come of and it is clearly visable where it was stuck on to the bike, but the kind policeman couldn't see this and accordinly gave him a penalty and 2 pionts even though there was one still displayed on the rear...now thats harsh...his been really good and coming home when his going out with friends and giving me the keys and also when it wasnt taxed for a month never rode the bike, he was so excited to get back on the road that he is now gutted to be treated like a typical 16 yr old as it was a genuine mistake made and now makes a good point 'why did i try when they dont care when we try' i have read some points and i would like to say that it is wrong to pursicute any body for there age, race, culture etc... my second piont is:- theses restrictions on L & P platers is disgusting and laughable, why cant they have the same 'rights' especially if they have done all the required tests set by the government (which are strict and cost a fortune) and passed them. I think people that do think and take turns in driving between 11pm and 5 am should not be penalised for there efforts. honestly do you want the good ones turning round and saying well i tried and i still get no respect so what the hell. this pionts and many others should be taken in but we know that they wont, i wonder if the people setting these rules would be happy if they where teenagers..dont think so! fare enough if it was only youngsters then there should be a tighter reign but there are other age groups that dont keep to the rules either? whos stopping them?... all the above comments prove that not all are bad....well why dont we just lock them all up instead...or put a ball and chain around them, no wonder they have the hump and dont give a hoot.

    darren green of ramsgate Posted on 23 March 2009 7:56am
  • To Gareth 12th Sept 07. You got exactly what you deserve. Bet you wont be doing 91in a 40 zone again. You are just lucky you didn't kill someone. Whats a learner driver doing speeding at 91 anyway. You knew you were speeding & its just lucky you got caught. As a "new driver" you should be well aware of the speed limit. Serves you right! YOu dont deserve a licence - dont speed, dont get caught simple

    Lee Mclean of Adelaide Posted on 03 February 2009 4:37pm
  • Normal licence drivers do crash and speed... they just have the sense and skill not to get caught. They also do not report it to their insurance so they don't lose their no claim bonuses. And no one has commented how unsafe it is to be overtaken by trucks speeding at 120km/h. When we go 90 (slightly below for fear of speedo inaccuracies) and a truck comes hurtling past you 30 km/h faster than you, the cushion of air, is enough to push you off your lane not to mention that even normal licence drivers will overtake and cut you off the road. I am not suggesting that we should all go faster but that we should minimise the amount of overtaking which just increases the risk of crashing. I know from personal experience when trucks overtaking you and pushing you off the road you can either brace for impact and most likely die, swerve and miss but might run into cars either side of you/ lose control or you can brake hard (rta suggests this) which you will then be rammed up the rear by cars going faster than you behind you (usually slightly over 110 preparing to overtake you) Why should you be putting p platers in this situation and risking their lives every time they drive on the highway. Either ban p platers from highways or get rid of the speed difference rules.

    Chris of sydney Posted on 28 January 2009 8:38pm
  • I am a recent P plater - much older than most and i find it very annoying that there are no rules made separately and accordingly for people who get their license late in age. Not everyone is 18 when they get their license. I wonder what would happen if i had kids to carry to school - would these same rules apply to me? Is there any mention of rules for older P plate drivers in their 30's, 40's, 50's 60's? I wonder how the little old lady who is in her 70's who recently got her license feels...

    Naomi Posted on 27 October 2008 1:55pm
  • iv just read these and yea i agree with some of the rules but for me i have to keep my L's for a year which is fine but 120hrs??? THATS STUPID! parents cant just take us for a drive anymore to get our hours up! petrol cost to much and our parents also work! the 50 hrs was good because it was flexible. i think that the government should realise that if they want to stay popular don't make us do 120hrs cause our parents are gonna get off side! so think about the hours times how much petrol coast and there u have it... A HUGE MISTAKE!

    shannen karger Posted on 22 June 2008 2:37pm
  • Thats the way - Make those p-platers concentrate on their speedos instead of being distracted by what's happening on the road.

    Stevo of Adelaide Posted on 27 May 2008 12:50pm
  • Perhaps it sounds boring, but as an adolescent teenager, I believe these laws have been put in place only for the protection of young people. Though if you were the sort to party, it wouldn't be of much fun. Though I have to agree, with many people commenting that P plates having to be placed on the outside of one's car.

    Reuben Sampson of Parramatta Posted on 26 December 2007 7:24pm
  • These laws are outragous. I dont know what NSW is like but Im from Victoria where there are hundreds of speed cameras and they put them in "speed traps" such as at the bottom of hills of on roads which do not have clear signage. On top of that the cameras are not accurate and book people who are not speeding and sometimes are triggered by a speeding car but take a photo of a different car. To lose your liscence for any speeding offence is rediculous. If i was a teenager in NSW i would move interstate to study or work simply because the chances of losing you liscence are considerable.

    Michael Verscharen of Victoria Posted on 19 December 2007 9:50am
  • I had my learner's licence for near on four years and accumilated many hours of experience, without my partner fudging my log book and what not, i think that i am luck to have had the experience of all types of weather conditions, my toddler in the back seat, and knowing when to pull over, shut the car off, and ensure everything is ok. I personally think, that being 21, and being a mum has taught me valuable lessons. I know not to sit up a trucks butt, he cant see me unless i can see him. You DONT sit next to the truck to cut him off, or overtake. In wet weather its safer to do 10k's under the speed limit, because with rain it takes longer to stop, and visibility is poor. I think the age for a person to get their provisionals should be increased, let people learn to drive at a young age, but dont let them hoon around... be smart, let them learn some responsibilities first, like what its like to have committments..... then give them a car, and licence.

    Toni Evans Posted on 05 November 2007 9:47am
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