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Getting into bad Territorys

  • By Graham Smith
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image In a recent meeting with Ford president Marin Burela Carsguide presented him with a fistful of emails from owners expressing their concerns.

Ford Falcon and Territory owners have been having a very rough time.

Following a spate of problems with paint, rust, brake hoses and front suspensions affecting their vehicles, the Ford owners are angry.

But none are angrier than Tina Heraudeau who is furious with Ford after the front suspension on her Territory collapsed after a mere 14,000 km.

The young Melbourne mum of two is so shaken after the incident late in 2008 that she is now afraid to drive her 2005 model Territory.

"I don't feel safe in it," she told Carsguide. "I'm scared to drive it."

Fortunately the right-front lower control arm ball joint failed at low speed as Ms Heraudeau was pulling away from the kerb, but she now fears it could happen again, this time at a higher speed that could leave her and her family in grave danger.

"I just heard metal crunching on the ground as I pulled out from the kerb," she says.

"I couldn't move it, it was stuck and going nowhere with its nose sticking out in the traffic.

"I looked under the car and that's when I saw that the whole front axle was lying on the ground.

Her concerns were raised when told by a mechanic at her Ford dealer that it wasn't the first ball joint failure he'd seem, before adding that he wouldn't allow his wife to drive a Territory because it wasn't safe.

Further adding to her fears is Ford's reluctance to explain what caused the ball joint to fail and its inability or unwillingness to assure her that it won't happen again in the future now that her car has been repaired.

Ford repaired her car under warranty, no question, but Tina Heraudeau wants the company to assure her that the car is now safe to drive. She has vigorously pursed the company for such an assurance, but so far none has been forthcoming.

"They couldn't confirm to me whether I was driving a safe vehicle," says the frustrated mum. "They couldn't tell me what had happened to my car and why, and they still can't."

In her efforts to get to the bottom of the failure Ms Heraudeau has contacted the dealer, Ford's warranty centre and the company's Customer Service Centre, but with no satisfactory response there she has also been in contact with the RACV and the Victorian Government Consumer Affairs Department, who recommended she contact Carsguide.

Ms Heraudeau believes the Territory's front suspension is flawed, and that the replacement ball joints could just as easily fail as the ones originally fitted on the Ford production line.

Her suspicion is heightened by the fact that the dealer replaced not only the ball joint that failed, but also the one that didn't fail.

The fact Ford changed the design of the front suspension on the recently updated Series II Territory only serves to underline her concerns there is a design flaw in her car.

Ms Heraudeau is not the only Territory owner to have experienced front suspension failure.

The Herald Sun has had numerous reports from Territory owners who have had ball joints fail on their cars, or wear to the point they need replacing at very low kilometres.

Carsguide reader Steve Smith told us that both front ball joints on his 2005 Territory were replaced by Ford under warranty at 45,000km and again at 90,000km.

They also needed replacing at 140,000km, but by then the warranty had expired and Ford refused to cover it.

Smith's Territory has now racked up 170,000km and his dealer has told him that one of the ball joints is showing signs of wear again.

"The ball joints have failed on four occasions," he says.

"Surely this is a design or manufacturing defect that Ford should cover."

Other owners are being told by their dealers the ball joints need replacing when they take their cars in for servicing in the region of 30,000-75,000km, a number have discovered the flaw when they have taken their cars in to have the front brake hoses replaced under the recent recall.

Carsguide understands the ball joint problem is not a new one; that Ford has been aware of it for some time and so far chosen not to do anything about it. An inside source involved in the front suspension design of the Territory who wished to remain anonymous told Carsguide that Ford has known about the issue with the ball joints from early on in the Territory program.

What's more he says it will be an ongoing problem for the rest of the life of the Territory; owners face replacing the ball joints on a regular basis.

While that's an expensive frustration for current owners, particularly once the warranty expires, it's likely to become an even greater safety issue once the cars pass into the hands of inexperienced, younger and sometimes cash-strapped owners who aren't as concerned about having their cars checked and serviced as are owners of new cars.

In a recent meeting with Ford president Marin Burela Carsguide presented him with a fistful of emails from owners expressing their concerns, not only with the Territory ball joints, but also the front brake hoses on the Falcon that are prone to failure, along with rust and paint problems.

In the meeting Burela was urged by Carsguide to initiate a recall on the Territory to fix the front suspension problem, and the Falcon to replace the front brake hoses.

Burela's response was that neither issue had shown up as a problem on Ford's field monitoring system, which he assured Carsguide was the most sophisticated in the industry, one that would surely identify a problem if it existed.

As an example he told Carsguide he authorised the recent recall on the Territory's front brake hoses when the monitoring system only showed a failure rate of around two per cent, even though he felt the failure rate wasn't high enough to justify a full recall.

What he failed to say was that while two per cent seems a very low failure rate when it's just a number in a report, it actually represents something in the order of 2000 cars that have suffered a brake hose failure.

When questioned over the thoroughness of Ford's testing regime Burela claimed it was the most stringent of any used by carmakers around the world.

But he couldn't explain why the same system didn't identify a problem with the Falcon rear brake hose that went into production when it was too short and failed as a result.

That failure caused Ford to issue an alert to dealers to replace the Falcon rear brake hoses when cars came in for service.

Owners knew nothing of the potential problem that could severely reduce the braking power of their cars at any moment, and owners who chose to have their cars serviced at places other than Ford dealers were left out in the cold.

Burela's claims that his company's testing regime is beyond question are also questionable in the light of the Territory front suspension problem.

Ford's testing regime failed Tina Heraudeau and her family, and every Ford owner, as did the company's field monitoring system that has failed to identify problems that clearly exist on the Falcon and Territory.

Perhaps it's a case of too many statistics and too little concern for the plight of owners like Ms Heraudeau who simply wants to know she is driving a safe car, that the children are not being put at risk when she's driving them to school in her Territory.

 

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  • Yes I agree, the Territory is a great vehicle, mine at 230k, 11/06 build, 5seat, AWD, has had very minor issues, a single ball joint, brake hoses which may or may not have been an issue, and some minor electrical issues, all of which were very quickly attended to without hesitation by the dealer. I work in the under car repair industry, and I could tell all some horror stories regarding some other well known marques, but cannot due to legal constraints. Some of the VE commodore, crewman Ute, Astra, and some others, have far more safety related issues than ford have ever had. Unfortunately, GMH being the Ozzy baby, defaming this child via the media does not have the same effect on rag sales that criticizing the strongly USA affiliated Ford Australia does. All manufacturers of all things consumable rely on their suppliers goods being up to the required standard. I am sure that everyone has bought many items assuming that this is so, only to find it is not. This ball joint issue must be a nightmare for Ford, as around 40 years ago, a very reputable manufacturer caused much pain in the XE - XF models. Another caused GMH pain with the H series Holden upper ball joint.

    G Hause of Adelaide Posted on 06 August 2010 11:02pm
  • my wife gave birth that morning due to ball joint collapse at 60km an hour she will not reenter that car with the new born she was lucky it was not on a corner as she lost all steering this is the beginning of complaints to ford as i have a family of 6 as it is a 7 seater which i can not afford to compromise there safety

    akram hijazi of bexley Posted on 21 March 2010 11:19am
  • One of the reasons i chose not to purchase another Ford when my current novated lease expired. probably the same reason that 888 racing went back to Holden, Ford just don't give a damn about its customers.

    Dale of Melbourne Posted on 01 March 2010 12:53pm
  • we just purchased a second hand 2008 territory with 115k on the clock. It has been sent in to have ball joints replaced but that didn't resolve the initial knock (in the suspension). The next repair will hopefully fix the issue. All this for me is luckily under a dealer warranty. All I can hope is that with ongoing regular maintenance the problem will not recur, but after reading some of this story I sincerely hope they are wrong. a lot can be said for extended warranties.(just in case)

    david Posted on 09 February 2010 8:39pm
  • 2005 Territory SY TX with 58 000 k's on it. No off road use. One flogged out ball joint and split control arm rubber. Try to negotiate a repair out of someone. I believe the report above is pretty accurate.

    A Little of Quuensland Posted on 17 December 2009 8:09pm
  • As a current Territory owner, first Ford after 'defecting' from the GMH camp, I have had 3 years, 70,000kms of trouble free motoring. A couple of minor issues were all dealt with quickly and efficiently by local Ford dealer. No ball joint problems, no rust, excellent reliability and drives superbly and carries a load well. All vehicles have some problems but these need to kept be in context. I guess you vote with your wallet and I will get another one when the time comes.

    Ralph of Perth Posted on 25 November 2009 2:42pm
  • Heh, I just realised what these articles remind me of, Today Tonight and A Current Affair... useless sensationalist journalism.

    Luke of Adelaide Posted on 30 June 2009 10:26pm
  • Okay, what's this, article number 4 or 5 bagging the Territory and Falcon? What exactly is the bad blood between the Herald Sun/Carsguide and Ford???

    Luke of Adelaide Posted on 30 June 2009 10:22pm
  • just got rid of my 04 tx AWD. Thank god!! Problems from the first few few weeks. Trim falling off seals drooping down. And if it wasnt for the internet, I would not have found the rust under the rear door seal before the paint warranty ran out.I guess a lot of people find out that the expensive way. Also 2 new front bearings needed after just 4 years. And 3 months after calling about getting the brake lines fixed per the recall...my local ford dealer calls the other day to say they have them in stock now.I'm glad it apparently wasnt a safety issue.

    TD of CQ Posted on 30 June 2009 4:45pm
  • I've got some shit stirrer Holden mates who caught on to these Territory/Falcon letters and have been sending in horror Ford stories on fake email accounts, funny thing is most of them have been printed...go figure!

    Cam of ACT Posted on 30 June 2009 2:51pm
  • Typical Australian made crap, what do people really expect ?

    John Smith of Melbourne Posted on 30 June 2009 2:46pm
  • Good luck to those who dont need the ball joints replaced, but it certainly does appear on the surface anyways that there is an issue that just shouldnt be there. A beatup or not, its a reasonable thing to want to know after leaving the front-end on the floor whether its now safe or not. Lucky for the lady in question it happened when pulling out of a park, i'd hate to think what may have happened at 100k's an hour. I personally dont want to be a "road statistic" because of some dodgy ball-joints (of course it would be blamed on speed like every other excuse for a road accident). I'd like mine replaced please with something that will resolve the issue.

    Lee Askew of Townsville Posted on 30 June 2009 1:41pm
  • Is Cars Guide owned/operated by Wheels?? This strikes me to be similar to the journalism thaty caused me to never again buy a Wheels magazine. I felt it so biased towards the other Australian manufacturer. In regards to the paint issue, I believe that it is for coastal vehicles. My wife's 2000 Liberty had no rust in it before we came to the coast but within 6 months rust bubbles had appeared. I believe it is a coast problem. I have an 07 BFII which has had rusty protection put on and I have not experienced any corrosion problems. No brake problems either. I have friends who have bought Territories and have yet to experience any problems. With the numbers of vehicles manufactured and sold each year, there are bound to be a percentage of them that will have problems. I bought an AUII in 2001 and it had to have the cylinder head replaced after 7000kms. I believe this was due to it being porous. Did I grumble, whinge or whine to the media? No. I received great service for a country Ford dealer with limited workshop resources and my car was repaired to as new running order under warranty. I am now on my 7th Falcon and would buy another without question.

    M Walker of Qld Posted on 30 June 2009 1:26pm
  • 78000 kms on our 05 Territory. When the front brake lines were replaced (with apparently no issues with the older ones) I was notified the left hand rear ball joint had some play (nothing wrong with the front ones). I had a good local mechanic take a look and he said it was so slight he wouldn't bother changing it yet. He said a number of (other) cars have that much play from new. No rust or paint problems with ours either. We still think it's a great car.

    Dave of Bonogin Posted on 29 June 2009 6:03pm
  • As a former Territory owner I can only read the above with dismay..in 90,000km I had no ball joint problems, no paint issues, no rust and no brake issues...how about a balanced view from the other 98% of owners.

    Stuart Barker of Melbourne Posted on 29 June 2009 8:52am
  • Here we go...again, Wonder how long this over inflated, anti Ford rant will go on for. Smith, Glover, you two are classic examples of cheque book journalism.

    Jason Brown of Melbourne Posted on 28 June 2009 11:01pm
  • Well, I have must have got a dud. None of the issues mentioned in this hatchet job have ever appeared on my '07 Territory. Being a moderately aware owner, I have heard about these stories, have had my local mechanic investigate the car, as well as doing my own inspections. There’s no issue whatsoever with mine. I suppose that Carguide, after having only been approached by people with a grievance, may be forgiven for leaping to a conclusion that “they’re all be like that”. However, a proper bit of journalism would have made a minute amount of effort to determine if this indeed was a universal issue. Sadly, that appears to be far beyond Carguide’s capabilities.

    Tom of Hay Posted on 28 June 2009 9:13pm
  • Our Territory has no paint issues, rust, or brake hose problems. Brake lines were fine when recalled, I checked. So take that to Ford, "Carsguide". How about mentioning some other recalls? I believe the VE Commodore has many more recalls than recent Ford product, prove me wrong. Mention that.

    Jack Posted on 27 June 2009 7:22pm
  • The ball joints on my Territory needed replacing after 75,000 km. All Territories used the same low quality ball joint part, so I'm guessing they will all need replacing.

    Lucan Posted on 27 June 2009 11:31am
  • I have noticed constant criticism of Ford by the mororing media over not fitting curtain airbags as standard to the FG Falcon - even though it received a 5 star crash rating without them. I have NOT read nearly the same criticism over other manufacturers and models - e.g. the Mazda 2.

    KW Posted on 27 June 2009 8:12am
  • Australia must have 'Lemon' laws NOW. We in this country get the short end of the stick in so many consumer law aress while we pay too much for our product and are only offered a limited model range and manufacturers/importers all hide behind the same 'small consumer base' feeble excuse. The US has consumer protection laws - and prices! -which are the stuff of dreams down under! US citizens pay a fair price while we in Austraia are forced to pay what the seller reckons we can afford on a CEO's salary.

    Raymond Brauer of Surfers Paradise Posted on 27 June 2009 6:44am
  • Cars guide really has it in for ford why no expose all the other can manufactures cars guide - biased journalism eg mazdas rear doors that do not shut properly.. and so many more...

    Jock of kingswood Posted on 26 June 2009 6:27am
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