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E85 ethanol roll-out

  • By Paul Gover
  • Herald Sun
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    The arrival of E85 at Caltex pumps is not the end of the ethanol story, as GM Holden and Caltex are also part of a six-way consortium which plans to begin making ethanol fuel in Australia from rubbish.

A growing number of ethanol-focused new cars, including the Series II update of the Holden Commodore in October, has sparked an E85 push in Australia.

Caltex has just committed to install E85 ethanol pumps at 100 service stations in a little over 12 months, becoming the first mainstream fuel company to make a move on E85.

It will begin the roll-out with 30 metropolitan and regional stations in time for the arrival of the VEII, joining about 400 stations which currently sell E10 fuel. The E85 fuel - already used in V8 Supercar racing as part of a green push - is made to a world standard and 70-85 per cent ethanol.

In contrast, E10 has only 10 per cent ethanol content. The difference with ethanol is that it is an alcohol fuel made from plant material and not a petroleum-based fossil fuel. But the arrival of E85 at Caltex pumps is not the end of the ethanol story, as GM Holden and Caltex are also part of a six-way consortium - with Veolia, Mitsui, Coskata and the Victorian government - which plans to begin making ethanol fuel in Australia from rubbish.

Coskata announced plans to create ethanol-from-waste fuel in the USA more than 18 months ago and was quickly joined in a partnership by General Motors, which is the world's largest producer of flex-fuel vehicles capable of running on E85 fuels.

The Australia deal is likely to see a plant built in Victoria to manufacture second-generation ethanol fuel, a move which overcomes the 'food for fuel' debate in the USA where corn stock is the base material for E85.

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  • This is my experience with E10 fuel. My cars burnt more so in the long run it ended up being if not dearer but just as cheap to run normal petrol. I have to say I felt a bit more response in normal premium fuel then using E10. Be interesting to see how E85 goes?

    Jim of N.S.W. Posted on 31 August 2010 12:02pm
  • Hahaha some guy just said premium petrol was better than E85 for performance hahahahahahaha the shiny premium fuel catalogues worked on you didn't they. Haha 98 octane "premium" petrol vs 105 octane E85. Add to that, E85 has no problems running rich and cool without losing power like petrol when tuning, and it's really an honest no-brainer. Every petrol car available will have more power on E85 if it is tuned to suit, it's simply a matter of taking into account of the burning rate of the fuel and adjusting timing to suit. E85 has less btu/energy per litre, but you run it much richer under power, only running it lean at idle and low loads. The buts add up. Even old V8s scream on E85 if tuned to suit, which is easy as. Supercharged vehicles run amazingly on E85 too, as you don't have to drown combustion just to keep things cool, and the 1% band is enormous with E85. E85 is made from byproducts of cane sugar refinement in Australia, not corn. That is otherwise wasted and not useable as foodstuffs. And for the rest, anyone who would rather send money to Saudi Arabia instead of buying an 85% Australian product, be my guest, but I choose to support my country. My experienced 2 cents.

    Adam of NSW Posted on 10 August 2010 6:50pm
  • V8 Fuel of Melbourne, if you read my comment, i said to "me" they looked slower....

    Wazza of South Aust Posted on 18 June 2010 11:35am
  • Sorry Wazza, you know nothing about the performance of E85. When it comes to the Supercars they are in fact faster than when running on 98, the Supercar fuel is 108 Octane. E85 is the future for Australian Motorsport and if you want to keep driving a V8 in Australia its the only way to go.

    V8 Fuel of Melbourne Posted on 17 June 2010 4:32pm
  • R34Skyline of Adelaide - I went to Cipsal this year, and to me the V8s actually looked slower... and if you want more bang for your buck, premium is the way to go.

    Wazza of Adelaide too Posted on 11 June 2010 11:09pm
  • Wazza: There's no reason you can't run E85 in a high cubic inch engine and get benefits either - look at the V8 Supercars. ALL engines benefit (with increased power and response) when running more aggressive timing. Embrace the new technology!

    R34Skyline of Adelaide Posted on 10 June 2010 3:49pm
  • E85 is a fantastic performance fuel. Turbocharged cars absolutely love it. If you have a modified turbo engine with aftermarket engine management and large enough injectors to flow the fuel requirements (as I do, specifically to run E85) you can achieve an easy 30-60kw @ the wheels improvement over PULP98. It is actually less damaging to your engine than PULP and it actually cleans your fuel system and has massive detonation (pinging) protection allowing a lot more timing to be wound into the engine - most of the myths about it have long been dispelled by the performance enthusiasts.

    R34Skyline of Adelaide Posted on 10 June 2010 3:45pm
  • PJ, just don't leave any on your paint work. It will take the paint clean off in no time.

    Andrew of Unley Posted on 10 June 2010 3:06pm
  • R34Skyline of Adelaide......Not everyone owns a "TURBO", you are just a small majority of people that do.....To me, "and i have stated this before" I'm old school and fossil fuels are for me, so give me a nice juicy (FORD) V8. lol.

    Wazza of South Aust Posted on 10 June 2010 11:43am
  • The technology vaporises organic materials to produce hydrogen and carbon monoxide (syngas), then a catalyst-based process for converting syngas into equal parts ethanol and methanol, Ethanol as a fuel additive, Methanol for producing biodiesel.(source 'Creating Ethanol from Trash'). Exciting stuff, I'm not convinced the reference to V8 supercar racing is relevant given that the average Aussie car owner doesn't rebuild a engine after every 1000k's or so. What will be important is 1) the cost of the fuel at the bowser 2) the cost to change over for an E85 vehicle 3) How much additional tax will Rudd add to the fuel given that only 15% is fossil fuel based, or will it be taxed as alcohol?

    John M of Sydney Posted on 09 June 2010 5:24pm
  • E85 is a fantastic performance fuel. Turbocharged cars absolutely love it. If you have a modified turbo engine with aftermarket engine management and large enough injectors to flow the fuel requirements (as I do, specifically to run E85) you can achieve an easy 30-60kw @ the wheels improvement over PULP98. It is actually less damaging to your engine than PULP and it actually cleans your fuel system and has massive detonation (pinging) protection allowing a lot more timing to be wound into the engine - most of the myths about it have long been dispelled by the performance enthusiasts.

    R34Skyline of Adelaide Posted on 09 June 2010 3:16pm
  • E85 is a fantastic performance fuel. Turbocharged cars absolutely love it. If you have a modified turbo engine with aftermarket engine management and large enough injectors to flow the fuel requirements (as I do, specifically to run E85) you can achieve an easy 30-60kw @ the wheels improvement over PULP98. It is actually less damaging to your engine than PULP and it actually cleans your fuel system and has massive detonation (pinging) protection allowing a lot more timing to be wound into the engine - most of the myths about it have long been dispelled by the performance enthusiasts.

    R34Skyline of Adelaide Posted on 09 June 2010 12:28pm
  • Warren the big t will always tell you not to use anything other that normal unleaded don't think that means they haven't tested it they just take the path of least resistance the know outcome.

    jason of melb Posted on 09 June 2010 12:05pm
  • Cruissy of Brisbane you are clearly misinformed about wear and tear of E85. I have been running it for a couple of years and have stressed my car harder than a race car on a track for a few hours, driven it across our country and after pulling the engine down it is like new, so were the fuel lines. Sure the fuel economy is a bit less, but it is all relative to the price of the fuel in the first place. Don't be scared, E85 is the future.

    PJ of Sydney Posted on 09 June 2010 9:47am
  • One Japanese car manufacturer of which we are supporters in having just purchased a new vehicle has not tested E10 on the long term effects on the engine. I am another who has reverted to premium fuel. As a confessed environmentalist I would prefer to use ethanol as well as the economical aspect but have no confidence in the overall wear and tear on my vehicle.

    Warren Thompson of Sydney Posted on 09 June 2010 7:36am
  • E85 sounds like an ideological pipedream, which simply isn't sustainable! We are already heading towards a world food shortage, so where is the base product going to be sourced from? V8 Supercars consume around 30% more fuel on E85, meaning that as a minmum, for E85 to be a viable alternative, it would need to be priced 1/3 less than ULP. Then, you need to factor the inconvenience factor of a 30% reduction in range out of your fuel tank.

    CQ of Qld Posted on 08 June 2010 10:04pm
  • I don't believe converting rubbish into fuel is sustainable. We don't produce enough organic waste to sustain a reliable supply of ethanol. It is a political stunt to hide the true amount of "food for fuel" that will be used. On the other hand ethanol fueled vehicles achieve less mileage than when running on petrol, so until the day that petrol prices increase further or the technologists work out how to produce cheaper ethanol and reduce the price at the pump, ethanol is just not competitive. Not to mention the additional wear and tear that ethanol causes the combustion engine. I'll stick with Premium, thank you very much.

    Cruissy of Brisbane Posted on 08 June 2010 4:54pm
  • Phuong this is E85 different kettle of fish. Fuel from waste lower combustion temperatures more compression I could get used to something like that

    jason of melb Posted on 08 June 2010 4:42pm
  • E85, sounds great, cleaner and cheaper. If the V8 Supercars can run it we should too.

    Dave Posted on 08 June 2010 4:33pm
  • E10 is rubbish. Its not cheap and they only pushing on behalf of the farmers. I spend extra on premium.

    phuong of canberra Posted on 08 June 2010 3:39pm
  • Who wants to eat Genetically Modified Corn anyway, I say turn all that crap into fuel.

    JK of Bris Posted on 08 June 2010 11:25am
  • we need to move quickly to create ethanol-from-waste fuel in this country instead of "food for fuel". One of the future sources of fuel in the world.

    devilsman60 of Brisbane Posted on 04 June 2010 10:08pm
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