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Nissan GT-R: test drive

  • By Paul Gover
  • Herald Sun
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    The Nissan GT-R is a fast car for the Gen-Y computer generation, not people who really love driving. Photo Gallery

The Nissan GT-R just doesn?t excite me. And a 12-year-old boy tells me everything I need to know about it.

It's about 7pm on a Sunday night, it's well after dark and his family is heading for home, but the youngster refuses to be distracted. He is on a mission.

"Dad, that car is sick. Can you please, please take a photo of me with it," he pleads, snatching the camera from his mother. He is going nowhere and they cave in as quickly as a politician with his pants down.

Less than an hour later, it happens again. The only difference this time is that it's a couple of 20-somethings who are drawn to the GT-R like footballers to a pub.

"Man, that thing is awesome. Is it as good as they say? Nah, course it is," says one, dressed to impress in his best thongs and a pair of board shorts.

The next morning it's our garbo who can barely drag himself and his noisy truck away, then a rubber-necked bloke wobbles past on his motorcycle as he swivels for a perv, and even the delivery man on his way to the shops with an urgent load of parcels cannot resist a quick detour.

They just cannot get enough of the GT-R.

A couple of schoolboys wave and laugh as the Nissan rolls by. Godzilla has made their day, and probably their week. They will be telling all their friends about their close encounter with Japan's newest supercar, and probably scoring plenty of points.

So, where is this going?

About now I should be shifting gears and telling you in detail about all the reasons why this diverse group of people are right to be won over by the all-new GT-R. Things like the car's power and torque and acceleration and top speed and that very special something which turns a very small group of cars from transport modules into a motoring dream machine.

But if that's what you want you will not be finding it here. Because I'm not a fan.

Yes, the GT-R is massively quick and very good value from $148,800, but something is missing. And it's not just important, it is vital.

For me, the GT-R has no heart. No soul. Nothing that makes it truly and utterly memorable.

It's a fast car for the Gen-Y computer generation, not people who really love driving.

Driving the GT-R is like working a computer. You input your destination and desired speed, then relax and let the hardware and software crunch the numbers to get the result. It's all zeroes and ones.

I don't absolutely hate the GT-R but I'm not in love with it. It does not make me smile.

There is grudging respect, but I have to ask why it is so stupidly heavy — more than 1800 kilos — and complex. It's great to load a car with technology, as BMW has just done with its new 7 Series, but not at the cost of all the other complications and weight gain.

I can think of more than just a few cars which are more involving and rewarding than the GT-R.

And before we get too much further, I'm not just talking about the $447,500 Porsche 911 GT2 that so many people compare with the GT-R.

None of my choices is particularly cheap - unless you count an original 1989 Mazda MX-5 - but there is still good value and more enjoyment in a Lotus Elise from $69,990 or a Porsche Cayman from $122,200.

Look away if you don't want to be totally deflated, but I would even pick a Mercedes-Benz ahead of the GT-R. The C63 AMG is not just any old Benz, of course, but the car's sledgehammer V8 performance and its driving challenge - it always feels as if it would like rear up and kill you - as well as a useable back seat and real class means I would rather put down $146,271 for a silver star than spend the extra $2500 for the GT-R.

I'm also expecting the new Nissan 370Z to jump in front of the GT-R when I drive it in a few weeks. It's trimmer and tauter, and the body is much more curvy and attractive. It won't be as flat-out fast, but it will be easier to tap and more fun at regular road speeds.

Still, there is no denying that the Nissan GT-R is a dream machine.

It has a stealth-fighter look that is very 21st century and its twin- turbo V6 engine makes 353kW and 588Nm to feed to its high-tech all-wheel drive system. There are driver controls for the settings on the engine, suspension, transmission and the six-speed manu-matic gearbox which take it right up to race pace.

Posters of the car are going up on bedroom and garage walls around the world in the same sort of places where the Ferrari Enzo and Lamborghini Murcielago and the V8 Supercars of Lowndes, Skaife, Whincup, Brock and the boys usual take prime position. It's that sort of car.

It has also starred in Top Gear television, where Jeremy Clarkson cricked his neck hustling one around Fuji Speedway in Japan, and is stomping through magazine comparison stories across the world. Usually as the winner.

So why is it that I cannot get remotely excited about the GT-R?

It's something I've been thinking about for more than a week and I have answers. And it's not just an anti-GT-R bias, because I loved the original Godzilla and I like the idea of a Japanese car that can bang the doors down at Europe's supercar fortresses.

But I think the GT-R is far too heavy. And far too complex. It has silly computer displays which belong in a video game and not a car.

And is ugly. And it is hard to park. And there is no satnav or parking radar — basics on any sort of $100,000-plus car.

Starting the engine is about as exciting as starting the vacuum cleaner. The car promises plenty with four rocket-launcher exhaust pipes under the tail but it cranks like any old Nissan and the turbo exhaust is flat and boring.

Even when you get going there is nothing much coming from the engine room. Except the chance for the doof-doof boys to go wild when they get their hands on the GT-R.

The driving position is alright, but only if you fit into the curvy bucket seats. And the view over the high dash is restricted, although nothing like as bad as the black spots in the corners and tail which make reversing or lane changes a worrying job.

And then we get to the dash itself, with digital readouts supplied by the people behind the Gran Turismo driving game. It's silly stuff like rear differential oil temperature, in a bank of dials which can only distract the driver. Fun, but...

And the emphasis on the gadgets means the speedometer has been ignored with a dial which is far too hard to read. Better to pull up a digital readout in the centre of the dash, but then you repeat the distraction problem.

The boot is very big, though.

I could be the only person in the known universe who thinks the GT-R is too big and too heavy and too ugly and ... well, I could go on.

People say the GT-R can crank around the Nurburgring in 7 minutes 27, and faster than a Porsche.

But when were they at the Nurburgring? Do they even know how to say Nurburgring?

"I know what it is and I know what it means," says Alex, a GT-R nut who drives a Lancer Evo.

"Besides, if you buy a car like the GT-R you should take it on the track. That's what it's for."

And I have to admit the GT-R is mightily impressive on a racetrack.

It thumps out of corners and the super-smart all-wheel drive system means it's always finding the best way of matching grip on the road to the correct corner of the car. The paddle-shift gearbox is easy to use and fires up and down through the gears.

But don't expect the brakes to last too long . . .

I've ridden with Nissan's GT-R test pilot and Nurburgring star Toshio Suzuki and he can make the car sing and slide, but a hot lap with him has nothing like the fear factor I have experienced with rally ace Walter Rohrl on a closed public road in a Porshe 911 Turbo.

People are also going to say the GT-R has just won Targa Tasmania 2009, and that's a great result by petfood king Tony Quinn. But it was his 11th start and he learned the event driving a range of Porsches.

This rant against the machine is not because I don't like cars, or that I've gone gone off driving fast, or that I'm not impressed by something which is great value and immensely more fun than a Nissan Tiida.

Perhaps my girlfriend Ali is right about the GT-R.

"It's not a sports car. It's a big car that can drive fast," she says dismissively.

"It's a snoozy car. Ok, it can go fast, but most of the time it's just big and boofy."

On the road the GT-R takes too long to make its point. By the time the turbos are spooling you will be past the posted limit.

Firing it away from the lights is fun, but only a couple of times. And it's also good to drive a car that tracks around turns at silly speeds just by turning the wheel and cracking the throttle open a bit.

But I still had more fun this morning driving my rusty old Subaru Brumby ute, pushing it through a couple of corners the GT-R would destroy at triple the speed without blinking. The Brumby was alive and I had to work it, and work with it, to get it to do what I wanted in the way that I wanted.

What worries me most about the GT-R is that it is way over the top.

Nissan has done an impressive job on the engineering front but it is too much of a good thing. Great for a racetrack, but too much for the road.

It's a weapon for sure, but more of a battleship than a jet fighter.

The GT-R is gone now and I don't miss it.

Comments on this story

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  • Markone2 - I’m sure the Maloo did match the GTR… until they got to a corner.

    Jim Beam of Townsville Posted on 10 December 2010 2:03pm
  • To the author, it sounds like you are too used to driving family cars. The GTR isn?t meant to be a luxury mobile; it was made to smash records on the track for which it has accomplished. If you were to rate the car for its performance I?m sure you wouldn?t bring such negativity on it.

    skyline_enthusiast of melbourne Posted on 10 December 2010 1:36pm
  • I agree with the author. A lot of people deemed the car as dream car even before they actually drives it. The GTR is a case here where (most) men and his dog drools over to have the car on his driveway/garage. But looks can be deceiving.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Skyline enthusiast, having owned an R33 turbo with around 360HP with ample of improvement to bring it over 400HP mark, and a V35 luxury cruiser that was so refined for such a great value car, and although I haven’t owned R35 GTR before, I have had the honor of punting it around highways and town roads while I was in Malaysia.

    The GTR is indeed a fun car, and very very quick. However, as the author mentioned, if you buy this car, this car is a track car configured to be road legal. The gearbox is clunky for low speed manoeuvring and can be a nightmare for parking manouevres, as is expected with supercars.

    If I have $150k to throw around, and I have a daily car so the GTR can be my weekend trashabout/track racer, will I buy it? Yes. However if I only have 1 car I can fit in my garage, to drive both weekday and weekend with the same budget, will I buy it? Absolutely NO, despite being Nissan enthusiast, I’ll go with a C63.

    Ryan - a Nissan enthusiast of Melbourne Posted on 07 August 2010 8:36am
  • This is a lovely car.The only people who would not buy such products are Badge Snobs.I saw one of these GTR in the showroom the day I traded in my Tiida FOR THE Micra I am driving now.my only wish is them having that red they sell on those super cars available for someone who drives a 15000 drive away special little fun mobile.

    franz chong of adelaide Posted on 31 July 2010 12:08am
  • Couple of insiders know of this… New silver GTR on Broadwater Rd, Mt Gravatt, Brisbane not too far past took on a new HSV Maloo at stop lights outside school… up hill incline and had it been a stock Maloo the GTR would have torn it to shreds, however this stock looking Maloo was returning from Power Torque Engines out fitted with one massive 249x263 Comp Cam and one 5K high stall. Interesting event… both cars side by side to aprox 60 KPH where the Maloo marginally pulled ahead and held that lead until hitting limiter in 4th cog at 7250rpm… DISCLAIMER: There were only two cars on road at time and not one school kid in sight, a battle between two very fast cars with no other entrants, pedestrians or otherwise.

    markone2 of Brisbane Posted on 29 June 2010 7:00pm
  • Ha ha, there is alot of interesting and good reading here and GTRs stir passion so those who really know and understand the GTRs will agree that the GTRR32 Godzilla earned its name from being a true blood race car that could be road registered. That’s right, a road registered race car as we know it, a GTR. And if we want to speak about DNA the 35 has all of that. A race car that is technically advanced beyond belief that allows you to push boundaries that no one has ever thought possible. A real drivers car and that can be road registered. So why the confusion? Those who are passionate will not accept the opinions… of course they won’t and why should they? We need to reiterate the facts. People will not accept my opinion if I try and tell them that the sky is red… the fact is, the sky is blue. Bad write up and does not represent what the car is. Should have been writing about something else, that’s my opinion.

    GTRR32 Owner & Spirited Driver of South Australia Posted on 28 May 2010 9:39pm
  • The GTR is the pinicle of Nissan’s development and should be treated as such.  I agree that there are a lot of true “sports” cars that feel better than this car to drive.  Remember that those first 2 letters stand for Grand Tourer not Razor Sharp Driving Sports Coupe

    Bryce of Sydney Posted on 15 January 2010 9:57am
  • I fail to see why everybody is attacking the journalist. Perhaps you should keep in mind that owning a performance vehicle does not automatically turn you into a driving enthusiast. People who care about driving will never opt for a car which drives itself, so I can only conclude that either you don’t care about driving or you’ve never driven a real car before.

    John H Nguyen of Sydney Posted on 14 December 2009 3:01pm
  • My main issue with this review is the contradictory nature of Paul’s article as well as his responses to reader’s comments. It’s left me me very confused as to his actual point.

    Ugliness? Totally in the eye of the beholder. Majority love it. ‘Nuff said.

    How can the ability for anyone to be able to drive the car fast enough to be arrested be a flaw? Isn’t that the point of advancing technology? To make cars safer and easier to drive at speed?

    Bad visibility? Of course it’s a 2 door low slung coupe. So are Ferrari’s and Lambos. Pointless cars?

    Yes the C63 is far more luxurious and “rewarding” at slower speeds. Thats because it’s sloppier and SLOWER. This is a dedicated sports car. Not a tuned family sedan. Lets criticise the Veyron et al for the same “problem”.

    More frightened by the Porsche driven by Mr Rohrl? Swing axle Vee Dubs frighten me too. +1 for the GT-R.

    Why the fixation with the Nurburgring? Because it’s a RACETRACK and thats where you compare sports car to see which one is fastest. Could just as easily have been Mallala for all I care but it proves a very valid point.

    And if you hate the electronics driving the car for you. Just a suggestion. Switch it off…

    OverthemoonGT-Rowner of Adelaide Posted on 12 November 2009 11:09pm
  • Great you sound like one of those grumpy men that banned the original r32 GTR from racing in the Great Race and making it in to a V8 race. BTW you ask skaife what he drove before Holden.
    Your gonna review the 370z, i say dont bother cos if you want to feel a car and have creature comforts aswell go review its brother 370GT skyline

    Mr Weird Posted on 31 May 2009 8:16pm
  • An interesting article Kerry and I had not seen the GT-R until the other night when Kerry past the comment what was that ugly car.  As a Godzilla lover I awaited first sighting but couldnt believe the size of or how ugly sheet metal was.  Having read the article and unlike at least one mate my old 911 will be staying as my daily drive.

    Tony of Canberra Posted on 28 May 2009 5:27pm
  • Mike of Templestowe - you really dont get it do you??  I dont CARE if a GTR is faster than me on my bike (and I’ve beaten a Porsche GT2 through the hills before) or if I was lucky enough to own one - a Lotus (or some similar, low weight, great handling car).  What I am after is the FEEL - the emotion that comes from piloting something which handles well and provides feedback on what I am trying to do.  Excessive weight kills feedback.

    An average driver in a car like a GTR or a Porsche turbo will most likely see off an average rider on a sports bike through the hills.  Thats because when you make a mistake on a bike you end up in hospital.  How many times have you gone into a corner a little hot in your technophile 1800 kg monster with auto everything and just had a little slide?  Do it on a bike and you end up into the armco.  It takes commitment to ride a bike fast.  Bikes and genuine sports cars are about feedback and emotion - not electronically provided responses.

    Stick to your two tonne auto drive tanks Mike - leave the real sports cars to those of us who still know how to drive…

    Tim T Posted on 21 May 2009 10:06am
  • I tried to read the article but after listening to 6 paragraphs of Paul Gover whingeing I could not be bothered
    Paul I hope you don’t get lost in the shopping aisles of your own self regard.
    I’ll wait to see a review on top gear.

    Shannon Dolan of Melbourne Posted on 19 May 2009 2:45pm
  • Wow, just read through the article and am disappointed at the quality of feedback it has received. A review is a personal opinion and it should never be read as gospel. Most people have taken what has been written greatly out of context. When driving a car it has an emotional aspect and that’s why as GTR fans everyone is getting steamed up about someone disagreeing with their “hero” car they love. What Paul is saying is just because it has amazing performance and can take on the worlds best supercars he’s missing its sense of occasion. He can not find a passionate element to it that he can personally find appealing compared to other cars he has driven. For you guys and girls out there who think the GTR is the greatest road weapon the world has seen, wonderful enjoy the car for what it is. But respect people’s opinions and remember there are other cars about while maybe not as technically amazing (or as stylistically appealing as you may think) can stir the soul just as much, but only if your perceptions are allowed to go in this way…

    Emjay of Melbourne Posted on 19 May 2009 3:36am
  • A flawed machine…...?, PG you asked for it…. your a Porsche sycophant ! How can their be a perfect car if your a car reviewer and you dont pay for anything and you have no of thecar budget…...
    But for the bloke who ONLY has 160k to spend there has to be a perfect car, as if all he/she has to spend is “X” then thats it, their a’int no more! Please list other makes at $160k or less so we can peruse and discuss… or is Mr Heberling from MPC reading this blog.

    Next Q, PG, how is it that a 1800kg Standard R35 GTR lapped sandown in 1.19 in the hands of a 55? yo club driver (Maserati Car Club Day 19/4/09 great effort Jeff!) That is astonishing in a standard 1800kg car, it’s unheard off! and then the Bloke drives the thing home with 3 passengers. We all love the romance and quirks of different cars but we (you) need to help out the guy with only $160k to spend thats your brief as well as a page of why not’s about the GT-R. For $160k its a fact nothing gets close even if you spent $300k, and before you talk about the sublime nuances, the aural delights and eroticism of a Porsche ....(and I know what you mean) in the hands of average peddler your in front, both on the road and with your friendly banker, as thats another $140 k you can put toward your mother in-laws cryogenic box.

    IMHO if all you have is $20k lose the cryogenic container! and buy the car!

    Hope you read this Tom T .... a Lotus please! you wont get anywhere near an R35, sorry but you simply could not have driven one. As for the bike you would need to be an “A” grade rider to stay in front of the R35, my cousin was, and he cant believe what the right car/driver can do round Calder Park, (1:01) he was shocked on his new Aprillia (1:05).

    PS Sorry I quote track times as it is impossible to back to back on a road.

    Mike of Templestowe Posted on 18 May 2009 6:01pm
  • Good article Paul - amazing that some people get so offended because you have a different opinion of their dream car.  Personally, I think its bloody ugly and way too heavy.  I’ve owned an original Godzilla and I thought even that was a bit too heavy.  I ride bikes to get my thrills, and if I had 150k to lash out on a car I’d buy a Lotus.  Why?  Because they are small, light and handle.  What is it with car manufacturers these days?  Why do they have to make their cars so bloody heavy?  Sports bikes have gone in the complete opposite direction - they recognise the value of weight loss when it comes to good handling.  Spanking my GTR through the hills I could feel the brakes struggling to pull up the weight and any decent drive would take another half millimetre off the brake discs.  I’d much rather have a motorcycle or a car like the Lotus Exige to go fast in - something that challenges my ability, rather than numbing the responses from the chassis with God knows how many megabytes of computing power.  No ABS, no traction control, no stability control and under 1000kg total weight.  Now thats a sports car.

    Tim Tollenaar Posted on 17 May 2009 5:39pm
  • You could be right, because every road test is the opinion of the person doing the driving and writing. And I’m definitely not a GT-R, although I too could stand to lose some weight.
    PG

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    Paul, I think this review says more about you than it does the GT-R.

    Scott Posted on 15 May 2009 12:31pm
  • So you’re admitting you could not live with the GT-R and the GT-R alone, which was half the point of my story. It’s a flawed machine, even if the numbers and value are incredible.
    PG

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    Paul, its time you moved on & handed your job to a new up & comer. You simply dont get the R35, were not all as focused as you. Stay with the brumby it’s a great retiree’s car. You knew by writing this you would create a stir and I disagree with your article… why?  Having driven and owned 996,/997TT’s, had a R33 Track car and tested the R35. I say to all out their, the hype is real. The 35 is a way more forgiving car and a porsche on the limit is only for the very best out there, and thats not me either!, ask Jimmy Richards about Targa Tassie. The R35 is without doubt the most forgiving, best bank for buck super car you will ever own. Yes i have a R35 on order and will keep it for when i’m in a hurry, but I wont sell the 997tt either because it still is a great drive, but pushed hard it’s going to be the R35. PS lap sandown in 1.19 so I’m no Rice Boy dreamer.

    Mike of Templestowe Posted on 14 May 2009 12:51pm
  • Of course you love the GT-R and defend it to the max. You bought one. I get similar letters from people who buy and love a Hyundai Getz.
    PG

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    I am a guy who has had just about everything, from porsches to several M3’s and I have just sold my V10 M5 to get the GTR.
    I use the car as my every day drive as I have done with all of my cars.
    I can honestly say that none o the above mentioned cars come close to the excitement of driving the GTR.
    The car is perfect as you dont necessarily want a car that is creating mountains of noise and whatever when you are driving to work or going grocery shopping but once the rev counter reaches 4000 it changes completely into something that not many cars can even get close to.
    I even got three full sets of golf clubs into the boot the other day which I was struggling to do with any of the BMW’s and you can forget the Porsche totally!
    This total rubbish that some people are talking about regarding no soul reminds me of all of the people preferring steam trains to our new electric trains…. Get over it we have moved on guys. The days where a super car or any car for that matter tries to kill you while going round every corner should not be confused with character or anything else other than the fact that Nissan have finally put technology to use to make something that is eminently safe.  I dont realy know what sort of thrills other than blasting away from lights or onto the on ramps of freeways you can have in a built up environment today no matter what sort of car you drive. If you think that you would rather stick with your Subaru then stick with it as you cant seem to grasp the fact that the introduction of this car , as many reviewers have already correctly said, has not just raised the bar but actually produced a new yardstick entirely. It is where automotive engineering is now going and I for one think that Nissan have done a superb job.
    As far as the looks go I actually love it but then again I realise that everyons tastes are different and at the end of the day each to his own. One thing that cant be said about this car however is that they have copied anything from other designs or styles. The Nissan GTR doesnt try to be anything but itself and I applaud Nissan for making it that way.

    Robert Battle of Brisbane Posted on 14 May 2009 12:31pm
  • And I thought I was the only grumpy one. Glad you like the words, even if so many people disagree and seem determined to shoot the messenger. There will be more . . .
    PG

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    Wow, an article that didn’t read like a press junket. Fantastic to see, whether I agree with it or not.
    Plenty of people are completely missing the point of Paul’s article. He feels the car has no soul, and doesn’t stir his emotions. His opinion - and it is only an opinion - is valid enough.
    Would I like one? Absolutely, but that hardly means everyone would like one. Is it the ‘greatest car built’, as one dropkick wrote? Who the hell knows, but sure as hell not the aforementioned dropkick. Greatest at what? Relative to what? Driven by who? Driven where? It’s quick at the Nurburgring but that doesn’t intrinsically make it great, unless your life revolves entirely around nothing other than getting around the Nurburgring as quickly as possible. Quickness doesn’t equal greatness.
    Seems like some morons (hi, Angry Reader of Surry Hills) get shirty when someone doesn’t share their blinkered opinion. What a fragile sense of self-worth they must have to get so upset – and to take so personally - someone expressing a different viewpoint.
    If you like the car, buy one. If you can’t afford one but would like one, dream on like the rest of us. If you don’t like it, fine. But don’t shoot the messenger just because his opinion differs from yours.

    Captain Grumpy Posted on 13 May 2009 7:29pm
  • Grass cutting sounds like a bit of fun, but my job is to drive and assess new cars and i have to stand by what i wrote after a week with the GT-R.
    PG

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    The GTR is the greatest car built it has all the looks and the power anyone could need. And trying to compair the GTR to a porsche means the guy who wrote this article is in the wrong industry cause the owners of porsche own the R35 GTR to test on their track and still cant belive in their own eyes that a car that cost’s $150,000 can not be compaired to a car that cost’s over $300,000 reason of the GTR smashed the porsche records on the so called special porsche track. so i think you should wake up and go back to your grass cutting job were you work best.

    Andrew of liverpool Posted on 13 May 2009 5:58am
  • Of course you love the GT-R, Because you bought one. It is an incredible car, but it’s not the perfect performance car that so many people think.
    PG

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    Damn it! I couldn’t cancel my order like I said I would a few days ago Paul, and had to pick up my GT-R today :(
    All I can say is, it’s incredible. What a wonderful car!
    When you wrote your review, are you sure they gave you a GT-R to test?
    What you wrote about in your review is absolutely nothing like the car I drove home today.

    David of Mornington Posted on 13 May 2009 12:39am
  • I find it hard to believe that anyone would get out of an M5 and into a GT-R, unless it was to save money. The Benz C63 is a car which is rewarding all the time, not just on track or at speeds where the police would really not be impressed.
    PG

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    I have just sold my V10 M5 (before which I had an M3) to by the R35 GTR.
    In my opinion it makes both of the BMW’s feel like slugs… It is by far the most exciting car to drive I have ever owned. I use the GTR as my daily drive and have even stacked three sets of golf clubs in the boot which I couldn’t do with the BM’s.
    I couldn’t care less about sat nav or parking sensors. After a couple of weeks in the car you get used to the dimensions and there is no problem. As far as the sat nav goes I just have my iphone in the cradle which works perfectly…
    This is a supecar that you can use and enjoy on a daily basis and makes my previous cars boring!
    These comments remind me of people who prefer steam engines bcause of the romance of smoke coming out of the stack!
    How any sane car reviewer can prefer a car which wants to kill you every second corner is beyond my comprehension!

    Robert of Brisbane Posted on 12 May 2009 11:57pm
  • After a full technical briefing in Japan, and a track briefing in Portugal, and more briefings here in Australia, i have a complete understanding of the GT-R. But i still cannot understand why it is so complicated, so computer-driven , and so darned heavy.

    PG

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    Now while I don’t totally disagree with you, I think the world has past you by.  Myself, I don’t dismiss things I don’t fully understand.

    Puma of Perth Posted on 12 May 2009 11:53pm
  • The only people laughing are the ones who have not driven the car in the real world, or are just joining the herd because they are afraid to have their own opinion.

    PG

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    Epic FAIL right there Paul old chap.

    How does it feel to be the laughing stock of the motoring enthusiast community?

    Dr Evil Posted on 12 May 2009 10:33pm
  • Hooray. Here is someone who actually read what i wrote, instead of just bagging me for having an opinion that doesn’t agree with their own.

    PG

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    Bravo. Great story Paul, well said. At last a viewpoint that makes some sense.
    Mate, any average car company can put a jet engine on an ugly car and make it go fast. That will never substitute for a) pedigree (DECADES of racing accomplishment) b) engineering excellence c) genuine creative style d) genuine driving involvement/enjoyingment.
    Enough said. Each to their own!

    Sam Posted on 12 May 2009 10:17pm
  • I will stack my performance credentials against anyone writing on cars in Australia, starting with races at the Australian Grand Prix meeting this year. People need to hear and read the truth about cars and the GT-R is not perfect. Far from it.

    PG

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    Did you get up a bit cranky the morning you wrote this article?

    One thing you are clearly forgetting is that you are in this position to provide your reader base with an opinion on what the car is like rather and whether we should buy one, rather than this piece of trivial rubbish.

    If I was thinking of purchasing this car what could I possibly glean from this review? That you have had more fun in a Brumby??? I have had more fun in the back of a Corolla when I was in my early twenties, but this has nothing to do with a high performance car review.

    If you really aren’t up to performance car reviews and would prefer to travel to Lang Lang and tell us why the clock radio in the latest omega commodore is so much better than in the VY, then you should hand the job over to someone more capable.

    CB of Melbourne Posted on 12 May 2009 8:24pm
  • If you didn’t read the story, why waste time with a posting. There is no bias here, and actually i was one of the biggest fans of the original Godzilla GT-R.
    PG

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    Couldn’t be bothered reading the rest. Only look forward to commenting on this s..t review. 100% bias to his bad taste in cars. this review sux!!

    cj of syd Posted on 12 May 2009 7:49pm
  • I have driven the GT-R on the road and on the racetrack. I have ridden with Nissan’s ex-F1 hero test driver. But, anyway, anyone could drive the GT-R fast enough to get arrested and that’s one of its flaws.
    PG

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    you have not backed your points properly

    dogg e dog of in a gtr Posted on 12 May 2009 7:47pm
  • Do you even know how to drive the car you stupid idiot? it’s not like driving your wifes festiva around.
    your writing doesn’t excite me. go to hell.

    angry reader of Surry Hills Posted on 12 May 2009 6:13pm
  • I’m a 3 x BMW owner including the E46 M3 in 2001 and i am considering the GTR….
    Crap article crap writing…

    tonche of Sydney Posted on 12 May 2009 4:21pm
  • My Brumby has bigger wheels and tyres, pedders sports suspension and a Momo steering wheel, because i love it. So far i have resisted the temptation to do a WRX upgrade, but i think it needs to be done.
    PG

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    I can relate to the thrill of driving a Brumby ute, I drive mine everyday but I hope 1 day I will have the opportunity to drive a GTR. I understand what Paul is refering too when he says the GTR is not fun to drive, making a car perform is much more satisfying than driving a car that performs for you but you have to be a good driver to make the destiction and appreciate going fast in a basket case like a Brumby ute.

    John of Colac Posted on 12 May 2009 4:17pm
  • Actually, i don’t drink coffee at all. I get my thrills from fast cars and motorcycles.
    PG

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    Thank you Paul for wasting two minutes of my life reading this highly useless opinion piece. All I have learnt from this long-winded dribble is that you enjoy soy lattes and take all styling cues from your girlfriend.

    I too have graduated from the ricer club, but to compare the GTR with Lotus or a Cayman is to compare HSV malo with your Brumbie.  Lets compare Apples with Apples.

    True I do believe there are merits to owning C63 AMG, but to suggest that target market for either C63 AMG or the GTR would for a second consider the other car as an alternative shows more about your lack of touch with car enthusiasts and car design/purpose then anything else.

    Redgreg of Surry Hills Posted on 12 May 2009 4:01pm
  • I have not, and never will, own a Commodore.
    PG

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    mate your a el cheapo homo
    poor review… oviously you enjoy your commondore to drive you and your bogan gf around.

    Mr_GaZZa of Pertho Posted on 12 May 2009 3:39pm
  • Why would i hate Japanese cars when they include personal favourites like the Mazda MX-5, Honda NSX and even the Subaru Brumby.
    PG

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    a few words that should sum things up. I think someone hates japanese cars…..

    Greg of Melbourne Posted on 12 May 2009 3:29pm
  • Glad you had a laugh, as it sounds like some carsguide readers have no idea about irony or the need for some perspective on the GT-R.
    PG

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    Thanks Paul, I needed a good laugh! It’s nice to hear something different to the overwhelming praise that everyone else is giving to a car that’s way too expensive for a Nissan! It may be a great car, but I’ll never find out firsthand! Enjoyed your whinge! grin

    RW of Toowoomba Posted on 12 May 2009 3:10pm
  • Just a small point. My opinion, by definition, cannot be 100 per cent incorrect. Because it is my opinion, not yours.
    PG

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    Ok first and foremost I want to say I think Paul Gover’s opinion on the new GTR is 100% incorrect. However, he’s a motoring journalist and this is his opinion and that’s a motoring journalists job to provide their opinion. When you read this article you don’t have to take it as gospel. I think Paul’s wrong about the car but he did his job and quite well I thought. So all the GTR fan boys crying about the first review that isn’t singing the car’s praises every sentence need to become a car journalist or go f_ck themselves. If you can’t afford the tissues to dry your eyes than you can’t afford to drive a car like this and have an opinion that matters.

    Bernie of Newcastle Posted on 12 May 2009 2:54pm
  • Useable stuff like parking and lane changes, and a differential that does not drag the tyres, and decent fuel economy? The GT-R fails all of those.
    PG

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    Nice review of your impending senility. Did you not get the design brief of the GTR? A Supercar with everyday usability.

    Credibility fail.

    Jeff P of Sydney Posted on 12 May 2009 2:49pm
  • Be careful when you attack my girlfriend, because she drives like a demon. And gets up me for driving like a nanna.
    PG

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    I thought there was something strange when the writter couldn’t write anything nice about the car until i read this line:

    “And is ugly. And it is hard to park. And there is no satnav or parking radar — basics on any sort of $100,000-plus car.”

    Obviously the high-performance gizmos don’t interest him because he’s too busy complaining about the lack of parking sensors while trying to park.

    If you still can’t park a car, you shouldn’t be driving a GT-R… And comments from your girlfriend should be limited to colour and style.

    Bernard of Melbourne Posted on 12 May 2009 2:46pm
  • Enjoy your drive. Just be careful, because the GT-R is capable of getting you into serious trouble - and not just with the police - before you realise you have done something even its massive computing power cannot cannot save you from.
    PG

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    I will be driving up Irohazaka through to Nikko and up to Sendai at the end of this month in one of these courtesy of a prestige rental company and I cant wait to finally drive one somewhere that i can truly push it. You can bet your ass that regardless of what my partner, Porsche or lap times around any circuit say i will be wringing its balls off having the time of my life not worrying about all of that.
    You basically noted that its power was unusable as a daily driver of sorts.
    I would like to know of a car made on this planet beyond the abilities of the MX-5 and your Subaru Brumby you listed that could legally use it. Almost without bothering to highlight the comparison of other cars such as the C63 or the Cayman, also with power useless on the roads without being an idiot.
    At the end of the day, the majority of people who purchase expensive cars do it to simply display the price tag in the less fortunate faces of today’s society rather then spending from One hundred thousand to half a million dollars on a car they wish to secretly rub at night and take on the track during the day and really exploit its abilities. Majority speaks.. And those that do i take my hat off to them.
    It’s simply human nature to do the first though, as it starts as a child just like those you would have belittled at the beginning of your experience. It seems like it has happened without you noticing.
    I get the impression that at the end of the day you were one of those kids that looked onward in a jealous fit at those who actually own a super car. Instead of a person privileged to be entrusted with one and to write about them. A biased and unbiased opinion is one thing but being brutally wrong is another.
    Even my first drive of one at the docks told me what sort of car this was, I can’t compare it to another, it’s just different. And its that difference you are simply not used to which makes it look like it let you down.

    Aaron Peters @ SP of Who Cares? Posted on 12 May 2009 2:09pm
  • I think that before you make stupid comments and write poorly written reviews, perhaps you should obtain some factual data to substantiate your claims.  Comparing cornering with other cars without a control corner would be a good example.  This review in itself was nothing more than a hate article.  Perhaps you should get that 12 yr old to write furture reviews for you.  I am not in anyway saying the GTR is a good or bad car, nor am I supporting the car.  I am merely criticising the poor reviewer.  I suggest very very strongly that carsguide rid themselves of this disgrace.

    Gary Taylor of Melbourne Posted on 12 May 2009 1:49pm
  • I’ve owned an Australian complied and delivered R32 for about 9 years and the new R35 (picked it up about a month ago).  The technology incorporated into the R35 is very obvious from the minute you sit behind the wheel.  It’s this technology that makes the car as special as it is.  They have used the technology to tame the beast and make it a very easy car to drive at street legal speeds and insane track speeds.  How this makes it soulless I don’t understand.  It’s still got a lot of the original “GTR DNA” in it.  All you have to do is put the two of them side by side and it’s obvious to the eye.  However it’s nowhere near as scary to drive at speed as the R32.

    I think this review is more winge about the reviewer’s feelings about the new “Y generation” and their acceptance of technology rather than a review of a very capable car.

    His comments with regard to the Merc are just a load of garbage.  I’d test driven a number of Mercs prior to picking up my R35 and the Mercs feel like there is a “gap” between you and the car. I’d attribute this to their adaptation of technology as it distorts/dampens the feedback it gives you.

    The R35 however provides tons of feedback in the right situations, when you need it.  I suspect the reviewer didn’t even come close to finding this as he didn’t put the car in situations where this becomes evident.

    I can’t see how any car reviewer worth any level of creed can say that a Subaru Brumby is more fun to drive as it steps its tail out when given a bit of throttle in a corner.  One of the main concepts incorporated into the new GTR is ability to “handle” these types of situations with ease and a level of confidence.

    Perhaps next time the reviewer might want to consider reviewing the car not complain about his problems with the generation gap.

    Stuart Gibson of Brisbane Posted on 12 May 2009 11:01am
  • Worst review ever. Its a supercar not a commodore.

    Mathew Posted on 12 May 2009 10:54am
  • I previously thought Paul Gover had some clues when it came to cars. I won’t bother reading your articles again after this utter rubbish, Paul. Sounds like you could learn a lot from the people you mock in the street, from 12 years old and up. These are the people who represent the heart and soul of this car. And as you’ve clearly witnessed, they’re all ages and from all walks of life. Something you’ve obviously missed that was staring you right in the face.

    This car weighs more than a Lotus Elise, because it is more comfortable and contains class-leading technologies which together deliver a car you can drive to the limit on a track, or give to your Mum to take to the shops to get milk. It is not trying to be a bare bones, lightweight, weekend racer. Just as Bugatti Veyron wasn’t designed to compete with motorcycles - the GT-R was not designed to be (or compete in any way with) an MX-5.

    You’ve lost the plot Paul. I get the impression this article was written just to sell papers and generate advertising impressions. Good for your boss. But don’t underestimate the ability of readers to just as easily dismiss your judgement from here on out and reverse your intended outcome.

    NacaYoda of Melbourne Posted on 12 May 2009 10:28am
  • What a pathetic write up!

    If you knew anything on the history of the GT-R you would understand that it was developed as a road going race car - END STORY!

    Yes I do agree that the new R35 has lost some of its r32-34 rawness but do you understand the meaning of evolution??? I think not.

    I know what type of driver you are and by why you have written your skills are 10/10 in talking and 2/10 for driving.

    You compare to are a Porsche Cayman and a Mazda MX5 in the fun department, they are good cars probablly fit for hairdressers than anything else.

    The point you make that is heavy…this is true but then you go on to say its hard to type??? Is this a typo, “it doesnt even have park assist” what a joke, you want to add more junk to the car.

    The R35 is that technically advanced not even professional racing car drivers can take the vehicle to its limits…

    Do yourself a favour and stick to the keyboard it suits your knowledge of cars.

    NIck J of Sydney Posted on 12 May 2009 9:37am
  • That is the most confusing review i have ever read.With coments like, when where they at nurburgring and do they know how to say it.What a crock of sh!!!!!

    jason of brisbane Posted on 12 May 2009 2:17am
  • People like you don’t deserve to test drive exotic cars for a living. Look up the word contradiction because you are now the owner of it.

    Neville Posted on 12 May 2009 1:07am
  • Gen Y focus, huh? You must be right given the price point…

    MattD of Victoria Posted on 12 May 2009 12:14am
  • Wow Paul, you’re doing really well with the GT-R articles.

    First you publish a beauty which basically claims that Nissan lied about their Nurburgring lap time and which subsequently created one of the most publicized feuds in automotive history.(btw Did Porsche ever substantiate their 7:54 claim with evidence?)

    And now this masterwork of journalism?

    Look forward to more GT-R bashing from you in the future.

    gp900bj of Nordburgringinereiger. Posted on 11 May 2009 10:34pm
  • You may not know what your on about, but at least your getting your website hits.

    Simon Posted on 11 May 2009 10:13pm
  • wish i had a gtr : < btw ...


    +1 to GTR_fan

    GTS25T owner of syd Posted on 11 May 2009 9:55pm
  • Wow what a ‘review’.

    Paul has clearly forgot how unexciting a stock R32 or R33 Skyline is to drive as a result of too much grip and not enough power.

    The R35 has 2x the power of an r32/r33/r34 but only weighs a max of 300kgs more.

    Has Paul forgot how much the R33 and R34 weighs?

    Joel of Adelaide Posted on 11 May 2009 9:51pm
  • Get your self a wheel chair old man.
    Sports cars are supposed to be fast, stiff ride for performance, up to date with technology and best of all sexy. All this for people that enjoy fast life style and enjoy and appreciate technology.

    You my friend, are stuck in 70s and 80s, probably because you grew up with those cars. Thats fair enough, but dont try to drag this car down with you.

    This car is sex. Has looks, technology that not even Germans can explain and speed that Germans and old men cannot stand.

    Im dumping all cars for my new gf, r35. Cant wait till im able to afford one.

    ADZ SEHA of Melbourne, Posted on 11 May 2009 6:20pm
  • im not saying im telling, carsguide if u do not get some people who write articles with half a brain and not old people! the guy who wrote this article should be retired and driving his old v8 he has had since he was 19
    if you please do not get some people working for you who know wat they are talking about i will be happy to take my ad from ur site and never use ur site again and make wheels my new home page thanks

    chris of tasmania Posted on 11 May 2009 3:30pm
  • I think this is spot on the problem.  I very impressive car, but to much turns over-worked race spec makes it just a boring car to drive every day.  M3 - massive interraction,  C63 - less interaction, but a desire not to die.  Porsche, well,  nothing needs to be said.  A car for the generation that knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.  sad days.

    Luke Posted on 11 May 2009 9:21am
  • Paul, You’re right. What was I thinking when I ordered a GT-R?!?

    I’m going to cancel my order and get a car that is far more fulfilling and satisfying to drive instead.

    Does anyone know where I can get hold of an old rusty Subaru Brumby ute?

    David of Mornington Posted on 10 May 2009 11:50am
  • He’s right about one thing, 1800kgs is not a sports car.

    geo of nth melb Posted on 09 May 2009 7:39pm
  • A rusty Brumby ute is ‘alive’? = FAIL

    Dave Posted on 09 May 2009 2:47pm
  • I now own an R33,R34 I added an R35 some 9 months ago.
    As a motoring jurno it seems you really don’t know much about driving.
    R35 GTR don’t have a diff temp gauge, but they do have a much needed trans temp gauge.
    With 17 Targas under my belt I can till you that the R35 is the most amazing car I,ve ever driving.
    Next time that you think you can drive just come and try 6 days is Tassis in April, you just might learn something.

    GTR the only real car Jeff of Melbourne Posted on 09 May 2009 1:45pm
  • I quote from a senior Nazi ” When someone talks to me about the heart and soul of a car I reach for my Luger. “

    Pedro of Berlin Posted on 08 May 2009 9:48pm
  • This review is suck. He expects luxury in the Mighty Godzilla, etc etc. Just get BMW 7 series then. Ferrari Enzo not even has power windows.
    This is not really a review, more like stupid complaint.

    Paul Gover Posted on 08 May 2009 5:58pm
  • This is one of the strangest reviews by Paul Gover that I can recall ever reading.

    Karl Wridgway Posted on 08 May 2009 1:39pm
  • Have you driven the car? No? Then I stand by everything I wrote.
    Pg

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    This article lacks substance! Quotes from the article below and relevant responses.

    Quote: For me, the GT-R has no heart. No soul.

    Comment: Since when do people buy cars for heart or soul? Honestly, what does this mean?


    Quote: Perhaps my girlfriend Ali is right about the GT-R. “It’s not a sports car. It’s a big car that can drive fast,” she says dismissively.

    Comment: Unless your girlfriend is Rachelle Splat I highly doubt her opinion on this matter is valued!


    Quote: And it is hard to park. And there is no satnav or parking radar — basics on any sort of $100,000-plus car.

    Comment: From memory, I learnt to reverse park a VT Commodore at the age of 16. Perhaps a lesson in parking is needed here? And let’s be honest, parking radars or sensors were only made for those who have poor parking skills (or driving skills in general). If you can’t drive, you don’t buy a GTR.


    Quote: People are also going to say the GT-R has just won Targa Tasmania 2009, and that’s a great result by petfood king Tony Quinn. But it was his 11th start and he learned the event driving a range of Porsches.

    Comment: So the year Tony changes from a Porsche to a GTR he wins the Targa Tasmania. Coincidence? Highly unlikely. And for a true motoring enthusiast to change from a Porsche after 11 years to a GTR clearly means something.


    Quote: People say the GT-R can crank around the Nurburgring in 7 minutes 27, and faster than a Porsche. But when were they at the Nurburgrring? Do they even know how to say Nurburgring?

    Comment: The time of 7:27.56 was set in April 2008. This time was broken by the 2011 model GTR in April 2009 (7:26.7). I thought the GTR vs Porsche argument was settled in an article on this site (the link is at the top this page).

    GTR_fan of Melbourne Posted on 08 May 2009 1:13pm
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