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Bathurst comparo: HSV vs FPV

  • By Paul Pottinger
  • The Daily Telegraph
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    Today's our day for making a pilgrimage to the Mount in two of the best V8s from the Holden and Ford stables. Photo Gallery

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We drive the best Holden and Ford have around the site of the great race.

Sermon on the Mount

Cometh October and verily did the pilgrims converge upon the sacred Mount where on was preached the sermon of the bent eights. Congregate did the disciples of the Blue Oval and Red Lion sects at this holy place; there to cast empty drink vessels at the unbelievers and to light pyres of sacrificial chariots. And at day's end, when one tribe's champion had smote mightily the other, the believers and philistines all did trail away in a long mournful procession across the western plain ...

SO MIGHT read some scrap of scroll unearthed by a future archaeologist recounting the annual secular rite that is the Bathurst 1000. This weekend's edition might be one of the last to feature only the the clans of Ford and Holden, as the end of the two-make contest is nigh. The need for new blood is widely recognised - not least by incoming V8 Supercars commissioner Mark Skaife, even in the form of marques from distant lands that your flat-earth Aussie V8 believer can scarcely envisage.

That though, like the day of reckoning, is a prospect best not dwelt upon. Today's our day for making a pilgrimage to the Mount in two of the best V8s from the Holden and Ford stables.

In sales terms, the fight between the Cruze and the Focus shapes as far more meaningful, but the muscle cars chosen for our excursion show this perpetual heavyweight title fight is far from decided.

Ford Performance Vehicles is represented by its GT-P, essentially a life support system for the stunning new supercharged all-alloy Boss 5.0-litre V8. The fruit of an estimated $40 million investment, it obliges by returning 335kW at 5750rpm and a gut-punching 570Nm from 2200-5500rpm.

That overwhelming (literally as it turns out) off-the-line performance is underwritten by superb Brembo brakes. Visually - despite its sober, deeply dark blue paint, silver accents and grey stripes - it's as subtle as a copping a half-full can of VB  on the scone, with a vast spoiler rising from the rear deck and a mountainous protruding bulge on the bonnet.

The visual cues of Holden Special Vehicle's Clubsport R8 Black Edition emphasise that, although this is a close competitor, the respective cars are about as different as two similar things can be. Ours is luminous white with matt-black accents, even the HSV badges, suggesting nothing so much as a Star Wars stormtrooper helmet. (Lord of the Fully Sith, anyone?) On its V8, FPV has downsized and used forced induction while the Clubbie is all about capacity and natural aspiration in the form of that resonant 6.2-litre V8. For all its size, its output is less than the FPV's - 317kW at 6000rpm and 550Nm at a higher 4600rpm.

The ClubSport's brakes are equally impressive for their progression through the pedal and the assertive bite. There's also an HSV-bespoke limited-slip differential to keep it in shape. With this and the wider rubber around the 19-inch alloys at the rear, the electronic safety measures are less frequently aroused.

Escaping Sydney's ever-expanding sprawl, our 16-cylinder procession abandons the (not so) Great Western Highway, cutting across country via Hampton, Oberon and O'Connell to Bathurst, soaking up the spring rain, sleet, hail and single-digit temperature with which the NSW central west is apt to bushwhack the unwary.

The FPV soon reveals its twitchy, manic manner. This is the one you'd reckon on winning any traffic light derby, or would be if acceleration off the line and out of corners didn't need a sensitive foot. Punch it too hard in any conditions, especially wet ones, and a superb engine - one you'd be happy to find in a top-end Jaguar - is too much for the chassis to handle and the stability program to rein in.

Initial discomfort isn't helped by the most awkward driving position since the old Alfa Romeos. As ever in Falcons, you're perched as though on an orange crate and anyone taller than 185cm has the wheel in his or her lap.

But ... Suck all this up, breathe out and what a weapon you wield. You might undercook your corner entry speed, yet if you pick your moment you'll power out with supreme authority accompanied by the charger's whine. For all the modernity of what's under the bonnet, the character of this package feels more like an older-school muscle car, one that requires your best to get its best.

The Clubsport, by contrast, is more, well clubbable, as in a club to which you have to be elected. More linear than the FPV in almost all respects - acceleration, steering and handling - it fills the grand touring remit with luxuriant ease, barely touching 2000rpm at the legal limit in sixth gear.

A manual gear shifter (which initially brings to mind a piece of gym equipment in its action) feels almost buttery after exposure to the tight-gate rigidity of the FPV's stick.

The HSV's seats are not nearly so supportive as the Ford's big, ribbed sports pews but they are more comfortable over distance, while enhancing the impression that the Clubbie shrinks around the driver as you push through the curves. And it's an interior that at least approximates the spend - hardly lush, it is recognisably that of a luxury car with a standard features list that's as full as its rival's is spartan. And, at 80 big ones, the FPV's innards are too like that of a Falcon of half that price.

The current HSV series is the one that most convincingly answer that age-old question, "Is it worth the extra spend over an SS?" with an emphatic "bloody oath".

It also speaks to the man of means who wants to celebrate his success, not with the obvious German device, but a bulging bicep of Australiana that he (or, yes, possibly she) can drive comfortably every day.

None of this is to write off the GT-P. It's an engine in search of a more deservingly contemporary and capable car, yet it provides a rousing contrast, something perhaps for the driver who retains more fire in his expanding belly. What you prefer not to imagine is some ambitious and ability-shy youth getting hold of a well-worn example a decade from now.

And as we end our sermon from freezing, darkening Skyline at Mount Panorama days before the great race, both cars prove that Blue Oval/Red Lion rivalry is as alive on the road as on the track.

HSV R8 CLUBSPORT BLACK EDITION

4.5 stars

Price: $71,990
Warranty: 3 years/100,000km
Resale: 58 per cent
Safety: 5 stars
Engine: 6.2-litre V8, 317kW/550Nm
Body: 4-door sedan
Weight: 1812kg
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Thirst: 13.5L/100km (98 RON)
"A grand tourer par excellence; the everyday muscle car"

FPV GT-P

4 stars

Price: $81,540
Warranty: 3 years/100,00km
Resale: 76 per cent
Safety: five star
Engine 5.0-litre supercharged V8, 335kW/575Nm
Body: 4-door sedan
Weight: 1800kg (est)
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Thirst: 13.7L/100km (PULP)
"Fast and just a bit infuriating"

Comments on this story

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  • I wouldn’t feel sorry for anyone driving a $65,000 dollar plus car. What a brain dead comment ... lmfao!

    Simon smith Posted on 23 October 2011 1:17pm
  • @ Legh & Robster - It’s all old technology. GM deliberately choose to continue to build push-rod V8s and their decades of success on race-tracks all over the world tends to show that they are right to do so. Do either of you even understand the advantages/disadvantages of each? If you did you’d understand GM’s choice.
    The current GM V8 was a clean-sheet design in 1991 and some variants have very high levels of technology, like sodium filled valves and titanium push-rods. And let’s be honest, what is so good about an OHC that is run by a rubber belt, as most are these days?
    Look at race series all over the world and you’ll see just how good the GM V8 is. Corvettes win GT races everywhere, up against Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston-Martin and Porsche. Two different Corvettes, one super-charged, have also posted faster times around the Nurburgring than the Nissan GT-R. Corvette is cheaper than a GT-R, too.
    Yes, Falcon has a more sophisticated front suspension design but that doesn’t make up for it’s poor balance when compared to the VE. Because the GM V8 is so compact, it sits behind the front suspension, not over it like the Falcon, which gives it almost perfect 50:50 balance.

    MotorMouth of Sydney Posted on 17 October 2011 3:00pm
  • As a fitter of towbars and roof racks, I can honestly say people are throwing their money away on Euros. We finally have 2 cars that can mix it with the best yet we crap on our home grown like we want them to be out of business. After fiddling with the most expensive Euros, I would never dare to own one. The upkeep on one alone makes me shiver, I dare not go into “in case it breaks down” scenario. To think we can have a full equipped Euro beater for half the price of a performance Euro, has me sold. I have driven both the Falcon and Commodore and they do the same thing, A to B driving, for half the cost. On the towbar scenario, Euros need an ECU to let us plug into its systems (costly), the locals have a plug that’s set up. One Euro has a model that if you plug into it (anywhere) it shuts the computer down and has to be reset by them. In another Euro, unplug a light and it has to be reset by computer. Hmm, costly. Go the locals, built for the country it was born in. Euros charge nearly 2/3rds more than us for towbars and roof racks. If you are stupid enough to hand over YOUR hard earned to them then you deserve it! Sorry but you journos have sold the locals out!

    support_the _locals of Sydney Posted on 11 October 2011 11:20pm
  • The engineering equation has always been the same. HSV uses old pushrod 2 valve technology with inferior strut front suspension that is heavier than the FPV. No need to preach how much more sophisticated the FPV is compared to the Holden. Although HSV have done a good job patching up these deficiencies on the road, the fact is the FPV is the better drive, even with that cracker of an engine’s immense power. The writer and this publication’s bias are both obvious and cringe worthy.

    Robster of Melbourne Posted on 11 October 2011 8:10pm
  • Yeah, I think the Ford seats are great too. So are HSV’s but I’d give the award to FPV by a small margin. On reflection I’d like to believe journo’s don’t necessarily have an axe to grind. Maybe they’re all just 6ft+ tall string bean things. Shorter to average height peeps don’t seem to have issues with Ford seats. Either that or journos have an axe to grind ... wink

    AussiePowerMetal of Sydney Posted on 11 October 2011 6:10pm
  • I’ve been lucky enough to drive them both. I preferred the Ford but then I am a Ford fan, so that’s that. But the HSV was also very nice. All I know is they are both over priced for what they are. If it’s Australian made, it’s ok with me!

    Scott of Berwick Posted on 11 October 2011 5:00pm
  • haha! Ivan of Adelaide that is spot on mate! I love both cars but have to agree, Its weird- 90% of people I know who have driven a range of VE’s FG’s- have all said they prefer the FG! These Journos must have an axe to grind!

    Richard of gosnells Posted on 11 October 2011 9:43am
  • One thing I can’t agree with - seating position in Falcon vs Commodore. I can’t say I’ve been in FPV/HSV but Falcon and Commodore in my humble opinion, Ford has a nice seating position with body hugging seats and you certainly don’t sit on rather than in.

    wally Posted on 10 October 2011 9:34pm
  • What’s the point filming these V8 muscle cars if we don’t hear the soundtrack? Pretty poor.

    Tom Posted on 10 October 2011 6:20pm
  • Big fast family transport. Love it.

    Dave S Posted on 10 October 2011 11:13am
  • Having daily access to both cars, In my opinion the FPV looks better and has more grunt, but the HSV is by far the better drivers car. It handles much better and gets the power that it has down to the ground better. The driving position in the FPV is awful. You feel like you sit on the car as opposed to in the car. If the HSV had more power, maybe 30-50kw more, FPV would be in strife . HSV’s E series was a great looking car, bar the tail lights, then they went and destroyed it with the E2.

    Jeda of Melbourne Posted on 10 October 2011 11:08am
  • That Holden is soooooo ugly. Those stupid led lights make it look like cheap and nasty Xmas tree. The rest of the overblown body-kit makes it look like the plain girl who is trying way too hard. When I see one in the street, I feel sorry for the driver!

    mat of NSW Posted on 09 October 2011 12:57pm
  • I am 1.88m tall and have no problems with the seating position in the FPV. The seats are fully adjustable !!! try that next time..
    I agree, that the car needs fatter tyres… that’s a small fix… FPV dialed in a certain amount of over steer and grip for some sideways action…
    Fact is, The FPV is faster around a track than HSV… even though FPV has less grip.
    Plus resale on FPV is much better.
    Did you guys do any performance tests?

    Nik of sydney Posted on 08 October 2011 7:32pm
  • Could you imagine the bad comments if FORD were still using an old dinosaur push rod V8? My God ......the negative comments about using such an outdated engine would be deafening!!!!! But as it is a Holden using it it seems ok? Motoring reporters still the the current Ford straight 6 is the same as the one used 50 years ago!!! And they cant help make reference to it every chance they can too.

    Leigh of Melbourne Posted on 08 October 2011 1:41pm
  • How much did Holden pay you?

    Ed Watson of Adelaide Posted on 08 October 2011 12:26pm
  • I can’t believe we’re still talking about this vulgar “I have more horsepower (a bigger penis) than you” stuff.
    It’s 2011 for goodness’ sake.
    The majority of Australian adults DON’T CARE. And this week’s Bathurst fiasco is not a showcase of any car in this story.

    DrSteve of innerwest Posted on 07 October 2011 9:03pm
  • I reckon that modern Australian writers compare an EK Holden against the FPV they would give it the win. Sick of journos trying to kill off falcon!!

    Ivan of Adelaide of Australia Posted on 07 October 2011 6:56pm
  • There will be people who will say these cars are not required any more etc and that only cashed up bogans only buy them. I would get one if I could afford one. Also people should be proud of these cars, they really are awesome and the are European rivals. Also they would be so much better than a GTI with a DSG that will break down in 12 months. Go the Aussie muscle car.

    Average Joe of Mascot Posted on 07 October 2011 6:05pm
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