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Unleashing the 2008 Ford Falcon Orion

  • By Neil McDonald
  • The Daily Telegraph
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No longer top secret. Take a sneak peak at the new Ford Falcon Orion 2008 with its more refined style.

The cover is blown on the best-kept automotive secret of the year — the 2008 Ford Falcon Orion. Heavily camouflaged photos and artist's impressions of Ford's next Falcon, codenamed Orion, might be popping up as the launch date nears, but these photos obtained by carsguide reveal exactly what the newcomer looks like.

These top-secret photos of Ford's high-performance vehicles show the Ford Falcon Orion clearly has Holden Special Vehicles in its sights with these aggressively styled FPV sedans, the F6, GT and GT-P. The FPV cars also give a strong indication of the overall styling direction for the bread-and-butter Falcons.

Regular Falcon Orions will have the same shape and style, only missing the performance trimmings seen on the FPV cars.

The look is sharper, more contemporary and significantly more refined than the almost 10-year-old current design, which started life in the 1998 AU Falcon.

The Falcon Orion will get a new body on proven mechanicals, meaning the existing six-cylinder and V8 engines will carry over with improved fuel economy. The suspensions, too, are expected to be retained, but with improvements in ride and handling. It's clear though, the FPV cars are designed to shock. They have deep front bumpers and aggressive grille treatments, but the standard car will also get similar 'eyebrow' headlights that flow into a rising wedge-like shoulder line just below the window line, which in turn flows into the car's boot.

The front is also designed to be more pedestrian-friendly and the angular headlights look similar to the new Mondeo, due out later this year. The FPV Falcon Orion cars will get distinctive blacked-out headlight surrounds that arch down to the below-bumper foglights.

The cars are set off by body kits, big 19-inch wheels and pronounced bonnet bulges to hide the powerful V8s on the GT and GT-P.

Performance for the FPV V8s is also believed to have been increased to more than 300kW.

To contain that power, some FPV models could sport cross-drilled high-performance Brembo brakes, normally the domain of more expensive European sportscars.

High-end models are expected to get xenon headlights. Matching the contemporary looks are new pull-style door handles that replace the recessed handles of the current Falcons.

Following a European trend, the rear-view mirrors will now feature indicator lights.

As expected, some of the key problem areas of the BF Falcon have been addressed.

The current car's narrow rear-door opening, long criticised by fleet operators, is now more curved and appears to be longer.

This will allow for a wider opening door for rear-seat passengers. Like the current Falcon, the boot is flat and the thinner tail-lights now wrap around the rear end like an Audi.

The FPV cars sport dual and quad exhausts, an under-bumper diffuser and rear spoilers.

The flared “venturi-effect” venting at the side of the rear bumpers is a styling point.

Underneath the Falcon is said to adopt the Territory's virtual pivot control link front suspension, which ensures crisper turn-in and more precision.

The interior, already a strong point with the current car, has also come in for a makeover.

There will be more a pronounced console separating the front-seat passenger and driver and a reworked dashboard and gauges that, like the VE Commodore, will also include an LED speedo readout.

FPV models are also likely to carry over the high-set gauges on top of the dashboard, but they will be better integrated in the same way as the gauges in the Focus XR5. Quality, safety and equipment levels have also moved up-market. Ford is expected to offer curtain airbags, electronic-stability control and a substantially stronger body. The company is said to have been benchmarking Audi interior quality levels.

In an effort to trim weight, Ford is believed to have been trialling a space-saver spare for the car, in a similar fashion to the VE Commodore, which has made a spacesaver standard and full-size spare a $100 option.

Apart from what we know about the FPV cars, Ford has also registered the names R6, G and G6, which could point to new models.

However, it is not uncommon for car companies to register a whole batch of new names, then not use them.

But given the axing of the long-wheelbase Fairlane range, there is a possibility Ford may introduce a higher-level luxury car above the Fairmont Ghia, which could utilise the G model name. This could then fill the gap left by the outgoing Fairlane.

The current 5.4-litre Fairlane G8 is the long-wheelbase range-topper.

The trickle of information on the Orion has just turned into an avalanche. When it is eventually launched next year, the Falcon nameplate will be reaching the ripe old age of 48.

It has become an Australian icon and in recent years has been revered as one of the best-handling, locally-built large cars available.

The Falcon debuted with the XK in September 1960. The car and its successor, the XL, were based on a Canadian design, with some minor modifications for our conditions.

Early examples were not tough enough for our roads and needed substantial beefing up.

It took until the launch of the XM in 1964 for the Falcon to have more serious claims to being a car designed and engineered by Australians for Australian conditions.

In 1965 the Falcon was named car of the year, a title it won again in 1966 with the XR Falcon and again in 2002 with the BA Falcon.

 

Comments on this story

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  • Haha, now that we've had it for a few years it's funny to look back and laugh at all you holden bogans who said they copied the VE! LOL!

    mannix Posted on 13 July 2011 11:40am
  • Have any of You people worked on modern Fords? The car is so far technically better for it`s price it`s not funny. At least the engine does`nt have to be topped up with oil every day like the G.M.H. v-8`s. Most of the hose failures are from people hanging the brake caliper off it when changing pads. Try towing a 8mt caravan with Your crumadore regularly & see how quickly it becomes 2nd. hand.

    John Price Posted on 15 June 2009 6:06pm
  • It seems to me that the designers at ford have gotten lazy rather than try and design in a new grill or hole etc they have just painted and object with some cheap metallic paint. To be honest i would have liked to seen something more intuitive. The other problem i have is the re design of the rear lights, it seems they were designed in a hurry on the way to work stuck in a traffic jam with the designer having the thought "that'll do". But other than that,what ford have had to work with there 500 million dollar car has come up trumps. if only they had the money and infrastructure to develop a better engine...........

    James Murphy of melbourne Posted on 03 September 2008 7:58pm
  • The new Orion doesn't look as good as the new HSV W427 which has a Z06 motor as it.s power plant and it WILL be the fastest street car in the world exceeding over 370Kw. So go Holden. Keep up the good work.

    Clinton Couzens of East Gippsland Posted on 01 September 2008 9:51pm
  • Many years ago l was Holden man since the first Commodore made out was best rubbish ever made and never look back again several years ago l brought myself first ford falcon ever since l enjoyed wide body, comforable car sit can carry 6 of us in big strong last Aussie made six cylinder engine Now new Yank made Orion engine if need repair need got to use lmperial standard tools plus if one cylinder head need to machine so second head have to remove will cost more for two head caskets while Aussie made ford engine have one straight head casket and tools still use metre same with Commodore engine V6 dont last long as Aussie made ford straight 6 cylinder

    ian dwyer of upper lockyer Qld Posted on 24 August 2008 10:11pm
  • I saw this car the other day..looks crap...interior is pure rubbish...not even leather seats....i hate ford

    KK Posted on 01 July 2008 12:10pm
  • it is great i luv it

    12345 Posted on 09 June 2008 5:20pm
  • The FG Falcon looks so awesome. I have been a holden guy most my life but since I saw the BA Falcon in 2002 I see that Ford are getting it pretty right. The FG Falcon obviously has kept all the good things from the BA but made it so much better. I'm glad that Ford didn't try to copy Holden. The VE commodores are completely hideous. Great work Ford.

    Brentt Pegrum of Perth Posted on 08 June 2008 6:45pm
  • hi I just saw the sexy and sleek car i love it and carnt wait for it to come out on show so my mum can bye one and i can be driving around in the hotest car in the world i love ford and really love this hot sexy car it is so dam nice

    isaiah morton Posted on 11 May 2008 9:33pm
  • 'Mikey, you poor misguided Holdenboy, the reson they dont try to win over your so called “most important age group” 16-25, is that your group don’t buy new cars. ' Wrong! There are a lot of trades people (for example) in that age group who could afford one. If Ford arnt targeting these people then they will buy something else. It will be hard for Ford to convert them back later, when they are older.

    dave Posted on 08 May 2008 1:47pm
  • Mikey, you poor misguided Holdenboy, the reson they dont try to win over your so called "most important age group" 16-25, is that your group don't buy new cars.

    Smooman Posted on 08 May 2008 1:28am
  • Hey Guys, Drove the New FG XR8 last nite, Its totally different. Same engine but 290kw 6 speed auto. Only thing I hate is the upholstery it looks cheap and nasty, Could be different in the released version but guess we'll see.

    FORDBAXR8 Posted on 26 April 2008 1:09pm
  • Only hope warranty on these new FORDS is better than on my brand spanking new 2004 BA ute. Went back at around 30000 k / 20 months not too old TRADESMAN ute. Was told no problem. Spoke to 13ford phone number, was told it would be noted in case of trouble latter on. When" latter on " trouble happened at about 55000 k and I had to get the problem wheel bearing; that is spinning inside of diff housing; replaced no WARRANTY. Guess what ! THEY already have my money.

    steve parker of Qld Posted on 28 February 2008 6:08pm
  • Ellias A , you are spot on with the squashed up look at the front of the holden, & the stupid looking flared guards, even a student in graphics design can come up with a better looking car. the slab look on the sides & the VE copy of the the american charger tail light treatment At least the FG has got modern euro looks & still has the aussie muscle ?

    greg forsberg of central victoria Posted on 22 February 2008 2:30pm
  • Tom rivera you so are a ford guy hahahaha you dont need to pretend that you are a holden supporter its clear you lo,ve the curvy male cars. And maybe you should park up your sigma and buy some real talent.

    Luke of QLD Posted on 19 February 2008 6:22pm
  • Is this the new model???? It looks like Ford have run out of ideas!!! I was expecting something new and exciting, instead they've slapped a couple of new bumpers on a tired old car. If this car was "sink or swim" for Ford, i hope their wereing their floaties!!!!!

    Paul of Sunshine Coast Posted on 19 February 2008 12:42pm
  • look im sick of everyone saying that the new orion looks "waaaaaaay better than the VE" IT DOESNT!!!! the problem with fords is that they've always been way too curvy and with absolutely crap front and rear designs...the last good falcon design was in the early 90's until the recently released falcons...I LOVE Holden but the last falcons ford brought out were awesome...they looked similar to the holdens yes but the front of the cars were mean looking...now they just look like tryhard peices of crap...and WHY THE HELL did they reinvent the most ugliest back that ford ever created...theyre obviously not trying to win over the most important age group...(16-25) again...ford you messed up a fantastic looking car with a follow up turd like this...oh and i read somewhere that fords are so curvy cuz theyre such a feminine car wheras the holdens are beefier and boxier cuz theyre more masculine! hahahaha

    Mikey Posted on 13 February 2008 6:59pm
  • How can you say ford steal dunnydoors ideas ? The VE looks like a BA / BF front and back. Boot looks like a magna Goose FORDBAXR8

    Drew Bensley Posted on 12 February 2008 10:16pm
  • When are ford going to stop stealing holdens designs .Fords are overated!

    ... Posted on 10 February 2008 7:38pm
  • look at the front it looks like a giant groper

    Darren Posted on 07 February 2008 12:26pm
  • im sorry people, but holden did not COPY any european design for the VE commodore, they studied other designs of cars, found a BASE design, modified it, changed the aerodynamics and a million other things, and then finished with the final product...now if you say that ford DIDNT copy holden, becuase it looks almost exactly the same as a holden except, the back of the car is still pathetic, the headlights are crap(they shouldve stuck with the last design) the front bumper looks stupid and the sides are plain and boring, and whats with the crappy black panel under the headies? it just makes it look like a wannabe tough car, mechanically however it sounds unreal, but unfortunatley the ford has yet again failed to be original and has produced a lemon, oh and its still waaaaaaay too curvy, what ever happened to the boxy muscle design of the fords that even i, as a diehard holden fan, LOVED!!! ford grow some brains and stop producing recycled designs! p.s if ford NEVER copies Holden, then how come they always are released AFTER the holdens and NEVER before...

    Mikey Posted on 02 February 2008 5:56pm
  • I hope the FPV models use the same cast iron block v8 that sits nice and high in the engine bay, giving it a real muscle car feel. The engine is basically from a the F series truck in America and is unbreakable. BTW it revs to 6,000 RPM which is oustanding for a dual cam, multi valve engine.

    FPV MAN of geelong Posted on 19 January 2008 9:47pm
  • Ok, I like Holden. Im a fan of Holden. Im not a Ford guy. But the Orion looks WAY hotter. WAY better than the plasticy VY. Oh and also, WHY IS THE BLOODY VE SO........FAT AND CHEAP LOOKING. Oh and also, Ford, please be more careful with how you do the interior, the back doors are irritating to lean on raspberry Please keep the transmissions and the steering wheel, And scrap the rest. Oh, and oh how I beg that you start making better use of Ford's Duratec engine range to fight back against the LS engines!!!!! And if the Orion is fat and cheap looking with cheap arse interiors, Im going to eat you alive Ford. I will EAT YOU ALIVE

    Tom Rivera of Brisbane Posted on 09 January 2008 6:57pm
  • How did Ford try and copy the VE?? It takes years for a conceptual design to be manufactured as a product, and seeing as the VE came out last year, your comment is invalid. If anyone copied, it's Holden with the front of the VE. They looked at the BA, squashed it to decrease overhang and then ridiculously extended the wheel arches, in which it only looks moderately good on the GTS.

    Elias A Posted on 06 January 2008 3:51am
  • Orion looks hot , rear tail lights better than VE.

    ORION Posted on 12 December 2007 5:17pm
  • To say either manufacturer copied each other just demonstrates a distinct misunderstanding of motor vehicle design and development. The design of the new falson would have been signed off on long before the release of the VE. Bangles BMW's would be closer to the time frame needed to develop the concept and finalise the design. I'd just like to add, while discussing current vehicle design, go back a few years and look at the AU falcon. The heavily curved rear and triangular lights front and rear, sculpted bonnet... Ugly and odd back then, but with a few minor proportion adjustments and we see just how cutting edge it actually was.

    BrAinOfJ Posted on 21 November 2007 10:55am
  • Come on people, i think everybody agrees that the VE Commodore was loosley based on the BA Falcon. All you need do is look at the headlights and stand back and look at the cars together. Its fairly obvious that Ford copied other manufacturers such as Audi with the BA. Who cares? At the end of the day what counts is that ferrells from Elizabeth S.A. and other likeminded simpletons from other dumps around the country drive holdens and more dicserning, affluent people drive Fords all around the world. What i dont understand is why Holden drivers continue to spruke about Holden being Australian when they steal more ideas and useless parts from all over the world than anyone else? THE CAR IS NOT AUSTRALIAN AT ALL! ITS A VAXHAULL FROM 10 YEARS AGO IN ENGLAND!!!!

    mikey Posted on 08 November 2007 5:16pm
  • OH MY GOD!!!, i cant believe this shit. When the hell are ford going to stop stealing holdens designs. This is so a VE design and yet again ford have stuffed holden up and taken their design to another level.

    Kyle Posted on 07 November 2007 6:18pm
  • I can't help but laugh when i read peoples comments saying FORD copied holden, from information i have gathered the VE commodore was designed by Engineers scalped from BMW in Germany, where i might add flared wheel guards were designed on the FOCUS long before holden put pen to paper on the VE. I personally am FORD through and through, but i do like the look of the VE GTS, and the New UTE, but looking at that new Falcon i can see why i am a Ford man, if only the eyes i look through were as BLUE as the Ford Badge...... P.S GO LOWNDES 2008

    SBR79 Posted on 18 October 2007 9:51am
  • holden boy.... holden sucks mate... understand that ok.. i love ford but i think bmw's are better.. that just means i love them both.. whos the idiot i wonder?? not me obviously...

    rick driver Posted on 03 October 2007 9:49am
  • rick driver qoute...im a massive ford fan...BUT bmw beats them both????? what an idiot..make up your mind fool..go holden..oh and only holden lol...fool

    holden boy Posted on 02 October 2007 10:59am
  • how can the ve be light years ahead??? its an outdated vauxal.. they get there designs from old crappy european cars...so im fairly sure ford is alot further ahead of holden than you think...

    rick driver Posted on 28 September 2007 12:24pm
  • im a massive ford fan and if this is what the orion will look like, i love it.. holdens ve is a snott box. but bmw beats them both so stick that up your bum.

    rick driver Posted on 28 September 2007 12:24pm
  • im a massive ford fan and if this is what the orion will look like, i love it.. holdens ve is a shit box. but bmw beats them both so stick that up your ass.

    rick driver Posted on 28 September 2007 12:24pm
  • im a massive ford fan and if this is what the orion will look like, i love it.. holdens ve is a snott box. but bmw beats them both.

    rick driver Posted on 28 September 2007 12:20pm
  • i love it its hot.. =]

    amy Posted on 18 September 2007 4:28pm
  • I agree with James and Dan Perry. Only a moron like this Bredan bloke would say "looks like a VE GTS" and "bad as an AU" in the same paragraph. I think goldfish have longer memories. VE looks good (besides the penis extension flares). These FPVs look so much better and I'm gonna have me one.

    watto_cobra Posted on 17 September 2007 10:43am
  • Would have prefered to see a whole new vehicle instead of just a makeover. When is Ford going to bring back the the classic bonnet Shaker.

    Danny Posted on 17 September 2007 10:43am
  • so brendan, what youre saying is that the ve gts looks like an ugly au falcon. As a ford fan i will gladly agree with you on that one.

    james Posted on 03 September 2007 4:08pm
  • looks like a friggin commodore,dont flatter yourselves kiddies.real men drive fords,kids play with holdens,like i have always said the people who appreciate class and quality drive a true marque a ford.

    daniel perry Posted on 31 August 2007 10:14am
  • Hmm.. Looks alot like a VE GTS at the front doesnt it? Once again, ford has redeemed itself by copying a commodore. You can all lie to yourselves about it, but to me it looks just as bad as the AU.

    Brendan Posted on 30 August 2007 3:55pm
  • tickford used brembo's in the au t-series...

    shane Posted on 30 August 2007 9:49am
  • im a mad falcon fan and have been since i got to the car park at the hospital and seen my first falcon but this new one almost blew me off my chair and i think its gonna blow the competition off the road with the new sleak design if i had the money i would buy one in an instant

    jazza mcdonnell Posted on 27 August 2007 9:52am
  • "To contain that power, some FPV models could sport cross-drilled high-performance Brembo brakes, normally the domain of more expensive European sportscars. " i often wonder who writes these columns - obviously no one who knows the specs of our local brands - Fords have been using brembos on their fpvs since the release of the BA hmmmm

    joshua p Posted on 23 August 2007 12:41pm
  • Looks awesome, hope they fixed the ba-bf brake hose failure (Cover-up brake hose recall) for this new expensive toy. Wouldn't wanna go to put my foot on those big brembos and loose all pressure like the others!

    steve b. Posted on 14 August 2007 9:45am
  • The new ford Orion look the best car ever. I hope they release it next year also for v8supercar championship. I think holden and there new billion dollor car get jealous from my new falcon orion baby.

    saif Posted on 09 August 2007 3:48pm
  • I love it it looks like pure muscle the new tail lights and front end give it an edge above the rest, id like to know how much it will cost and if it is more airodynamic than the ve though??

    jared warren Posted on 08 August 2007 1:48pm
  • looks very good,very aggressive without the bulging side mole.

    Emori Qalo Posted on 08 August 2007 9:44am
  • Next Falcon looks great, new V6 in 2010 will be more fuel efficient than current inline 6. lets hope a twin turbo comes into fruition and maybe a diesel and lpg engine for those wanting fuel efficiency.Well done to the designers, lets hope this car gives Ford a lift for the 50 th birthday of an australian icon

    daniel vassallo Posted on 06 August 2007 10:41am
  • Hello, i was wondering can you send me more pics of the new falcon GTP etc.I can see that the falcon looks better than the holden v series by the pics you sent me.I am a ford man and its my opinion only,but it looks better.............sincerely steve nedeljkovich...

    steve nedeljkovich Posted on 06 August 2007 10:41am
  • Love it or hate it, at least it's immediately identifiable as a Falcon. The Commodore just looks like a larger Mazda.

    Berne Meyer Posted on 27 July 2007 3:51pm
  • Hello, i was wondering can you send me more pics of the new falcon GTP etc.I can see that the falcon looks better than the holden v series by the pics you sent me.I am a ford man and its my opinion only,but it looks better.............sincerely steve nedeljkovich...

    steve nedeljkovich Posted on 26 July 2007 5:45pm
  • Can't wait till they drop the Duratec into this shell. The shorter and all alloy V6mill set far back should balance this car way beyond the iron eight. Despite a small drop in torque relative to the eight, this vehicle should cirulate a track better. If FPV apply some boost to it, look out! We may just win the battle of Technology vs Cubes!. We Really need to see development of Mid size vehicle with sam epowerplants and more space efficient interiors (Hence new Torana project). Bring on the GT V6 Capri revival! Yours..Chief.

    Scott Wiggins Posted on 26 July 2007 11:01am
  • Bill Moulds... What planet are you on? The BA Falcon was Wheels Car of the Year! and kicked Commodore's butt comprehensively that year. The Falcon has been a more advanced car for quite a while (the AU aesthetics let it down). Even after Holden spent a reported $1 billion dollars on their latest creation, they still only pipped the 5yo Falcon at the post. This new Orion Falcon will see Ford lead the way again! And what a gorgeous machine it is!

    Dan Posted on 25 July 2007 10:25am
  • it looks like a Killer Whale, and looks a bit heavy, but rather then that it looks alot better then the holden VE. Too bad ford wont be making straight six's anymore.

    lee Connors Posted on 25 July 2007 10:25am
  • I have found you guys build up the cars with all their friut etc. The past Ford and Holden models may get ratings like car of the Year etc. But the true facts lie in the amount of warranty claims. When cars are assessed this should be the basis on how good a vehicle is. I have a VT commodore thats has had too many various things go wrong in the first 3 Years when it was under warranty, and then many various costly items go wrong since. The amount of times i have had to return this vehicle for repairs is a disgrace. I am very weary about buying any new cars and tell every one about my car.

    Mark Petchell Posted on 24 July 2007 2:47pm
  • well this new falcon beats holdens all the way. how can any body like to holden sh*t vehicals lol... trust me... when i say this, fords back babe

    cameron crawford Posted on 24 July 2007 10:44am
  • I think it looks very classy except the black bit under the headlights. Hopefully thats optional! NOTHING looks VE about it besides the door handles, think magna, 380, lancer etc etc nothing new there and certainly not copying Holden. Older HSV's are one of the WORST looking cars on the road, they have been dubbed plastic fantastic many times over. At least with the VE they have made a more flowing bodykit. The orion appears to have relatively normal wheel arches unlike the ridiculous flared guads on the VE. Sure they look ok with 19" wheels and tyres, but think of the most common dunnydore on the road, the Omegay. which gets crappy hubcaps and leaves a MASSIVE empty space in the guards, looks completely ridiculous. There are hints of BF/BA/AU DNA in the Orion which I like, you can immediately tell its a falcon. Congrats ford and good luck

    Thomas Tank Posted on 24 July 2007 10:43am
  • Keep trying, Ford. You may catch up one day to Holden. Let's face it. Ford is inferior and has been since they brought out the EA Falcon which put them way behind. I'll stick to me VE Calais. As Nathan said, Holden all the way.

    Bill Moulds Posted on 24 July 2007 10:43am
  • it makes every one happy and proud to have somthing done by FORD.it looks similar to LUXUS any how FORD has done a good job.

    Mohan Silva Posted on 24 July 2007 10:08am
  • its funny how all the holden lovers( critics ) seem to be looking up the orion looks like ford will be changing a few minds !!!! good work ford you have got alot of people talking and its all good cant wait to see it with my own eyes.

    mat Posted on 23 July 2007 11:48am
  • XK Falcon V FB Holden, visually the Ford was light years ahead, Orion V VE Commodore, now both cars are down to tin tacs with little to seperate, Us aussies have the Best B.F.Y.B cars in the automotive world; Go Ford up the stakes as you did with the BA/BF, deliver us a vehicle that will ensure Ford Aus will continue to survive. I am hanging to see the XR range XR8TED

    XR8TED Posted on 20 July 2007 5:54pm
  • it makes me proud to look down on such a wonderful looking vehicle.

    Henry Ford Posted on 20 July 2007 5:31pm
  • I think that tha new ford has a V6 up front is this true or are they staying with a straght 6?XRs are sexy lets hope the race package is as fast as she looks

    Ian Blatchford Posted on 20 July 2007 5:31pm
  • I think these pics look great, i like how they are keeping links to previous falcons... i could point out design ques from ED.... but in saying that it looks completely modern and has pulled off handsome big Aussie sedan without being a VE clone

    Joe Polson Posted on 20 July 2007 5:31pm
  • Holden or Ford you cant beat them. But lets face it Ford will never make a better looking performance car than Holden. Holden dont call them Special Vehicles for no reason. Ford fans should be absolutely disgusted that Ford have spent 500 million on a car that doesnt look any different than the current model. Maybe they could have spent 500 million on buying a design from Holden. HSV all the way..

    Nathan Farr Posted on 20 July 2007 5:31pm
  • Not a ford fan myself, prefer Mitsubishi or Holden, although I am mildy impressed with this new model particularly the rear design and will definatley make the effort to inspect one in person. Ford can only improve and modernise on exterior features and anything V6 with better fuel economy and stability control is always a bonus! Curtain airbags will be a selling point, but on first impression - it does resemble the Holden....

    Michelle Posted on 19 July 2007 6:17pm
  • I'm not so sure about this new car,I really want to see it in the flesh. We are a blue oval family through and through,but what does concern me is the closure of the 6cyl production plant in Geelong. Why should we import motors from O/S,and why on earth the V6, it is a dog of a motor. Holden has had it for a while and I believe they have never got it right. What are Ford thinking,or is it that we have let the boring English influence us to much?

    Lee Harris Posted on 19 July 2007 6:17pm
  • The genesis of the 'face' of the newly designed Ford (code name Orion) is a straight out steal from a Ningaloo Reef habitue ... the whale shark. Now while that 'down in the mouth' look suits the whale shark in its environment the gaping air intake hole on the front of the new model looks simply grotesque and the blackout perspex light covers indicate Ford designers have run out of fresh ideas to keep the blue oval competitive. The retro style wheel spokes and low profile tyres do not endear a large saloon type vehicle to this type of styling ... it makes the vehicle too low to the ground and will mostly appeal to young petrol heads and speed demons. So if the intent was to design a hoonmobile then Ford has achieved its wish. However it could be a death wish if they intended their new model for general purpose car buyers who will switch allegiance to other brands when they see this monster unveiled in the flesh. 5 will get you 10 there' s an updated face design before the vehicle wins general acceptance. Otherwise it won't be just the new V6 engine being made offshore ... it will be the whole caboodle imported from Detroit USA. Quite possibly with a free trade agreement now in existance and the value of the Oz dollar approaching parity with the American buck this might really be what Ford directors have in mind.

    Howard Powers Posted on 19 July 2007 6:12pm
  • GJ, i wasn't talking about all Mercs, just pointing out that what Ford, Holdens, and many other car makers are putting in their cars as 'new technology', actually isn't. The S Class Merc is like a crystal ball for what is to come for the rest of car manufacturers years down the track. I agree that the base models in the A and C class alike, are quite spartan. Being someone who has access to both an XR6T Ute(own car) and an SSZ (company car); i'd say the Ford is the better of the 2. More fun, more ivolving; its got less rattles in the body work/trim, and it just puts more of a smile on the old dial. Granted the SSZ has goot points; great seats for one; STACKS of torque from the word go; but the ride is harsher (possibly due to the extra inch on the Monaro wheels)...

    Beej Posted on 19 July 2007 4:38pm
  • True lovers of Motorsport have a respect for any performance enhancement on any vehicle, (even Volvo, although not readily admitted). I own a VE SSV and love it for its performance and comfort, although I did change the rims (yuk). The new Ford looks great, although it does have a some serious catching up to do. Whether you support Holden or Ford, the new VE is a quality car on a global standard. Lets hope Ford do have the same success as Holden, it's good for the Automotive Industry and Australia as a whole. Maybe this is the car that will do it for Ford. Either way as a Holden fan I still have a mutual respect for the Ford vehicles, because without competing against each other we wouldn't be able to enjoy the high quality vehicles now available. As far as copying each others design, of course they are watching each other. They have been spying on each other since before I was born and will continue long after we're all gone, that's business, or more accurately competitive spirit.

    Jason Kennedy Posted on 19 July 2007 4:38pm
  • Reading all these comments really demonstrates how narrow-minded most of these characters are. Firstly, there's the self-satisfied smug German Car Owner who carries on about how his prestige 1975 model Benz has more technology than the VE, 2008 Falcon and the Space Shuttle put together. Then the whole Baffurst Petrol Head's "my ford's better than your holden" argument. In a word, you're pathetic. Go and buy the car that you favour, whether it be Ford, Holden, German or whatever, but please- PLEASE- stop this mind-numbingly boring battle of "my car's better than yours". Grow up!!

    John Davies Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • Well, it looks pretty cool... It does look a fair bit like an Audi R8 at the front, but then the VE Commodore looks a fair bit like a BA Falcon at the front too... These pics are evidence (along with the VE) that the local makers are trying to focus on these car's main selling point - big, comfy family sedan. Keeping in mind that the new car won't look exactly like what we see here, however, I think that Ford has done a good job on the outside... Whether the promise of improved internals is realised, we shall see. Oh, and Ford has their nose in front of Holden, I daresay (the Commo is just Holden' together...)

    David Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • Doesn't look too shabby, aside from the black under headlights crap. Iim a Ford fan from way back. But unfortunately im stuck driving a 5 spd manual VN Commodore sedan. The fact its manual is the only reason i bought it! Then again, i wouldnt dare buy the same year model Falcon, we all know EA's were a flop! It goes like a shower of $hitte, and atleast i can say i owned a good one and i still prefer FORD! Like some1 B4 me said, bring it on HSV dealer team!

    danger ford driver in holden! Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • I'm not so sure Beej, about the gap between European and Australian cars. I looked at buying a C Class Merc to replace my TP Magna SE wagon and the Merc didn't even run to power mirrors. If I wanted a car as basic as that I would have to look at at Lada Niva or something of that ilk. If you want to waste your money on Mercs and Beemers, go ahead, but I'll get just as much satisfaction and motoring enjoyment from a Statesman or Fairmont Ghia for a fraction of the price.

    GJ Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • so whats the big deal same old same old bland copycatting weve come to expect from the ford motor company, the final nail in the ford coffin is almost upon us they have no one else to blame but themselves

    holden fan Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • copy cat copy cat is all i have to say to ford!! stop copying holden!!

    jack bamford Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • As a ford tragic go tripple 8, the xr6t and xr8's are the best value bang for buck on the market and there is no substute for cubic inches, as for holden they will continue to have to build larger engines to compete. But, maybe the Orion can arrest car fleet sales or is history repeating it's self as in the 1970's oil crisis.

    XP65coupe Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • I think this car is bloody beautiful, as you can probably tell im a ford man and always have been. Now as for this rubbish about this ford looking like a ve holden what an insult, for one the headlights and tail lights on a ve look like they came off a BA falcon, and two side on the VE looks like a bmw on steroids, the only thing holden on the VE is the badge and thats probably made in taiwan. It takes 6 litres of holden, a million dollars and a heap of other manufacturers designs, to make 300kw and a descent looking holden, when it only takes 5.4 lires of ford and a few clever ford designers to make 300kw and another great ford.

    Richard Mason Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • Go Fords!!!! What a splendid car. We have a BA XR8 mkII and we love it. We used to have a commodore but it was a bunch of crap. Fords are more comfy and better to drive. Cant wait to see the real thing and hopefully take it for a drive. While looking for our ford our commodore broke down in where else a Ford dealership. If that doesnt make you change your mind nothing wont. Go Ford

    ford_no1_fan Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • Of course this car is going to have similarities to other cars. THEYRE CALLED DESIGN STANDARDS in which all of these cars abide by, therefore same rules, same overall look and no outrageous ugly looking cars made only to shock. And just because the commodore was released first, some of the designs for the falcon could have been thought of long ago, and even if they did copy some aspects of other cars, thats what car companies do, basically every car looks like some other car so get over it.

    Grace Posted on 19 July 2007 12:43pm
  • all i can say is those who say it looks like a new falcon, put fords new mustang next to the new bommodore and see who the real design thief is. looks nothing like a bommodore and is very different from a ba. (or bf now) so basically azeez maybe us ford nuts dont want you on our side of the fence anyway because you cant drive anyway because you are BLIND. youre basically a sheep who follows suit. youre not reall or werent really a ford man. good luck to ford withthis car, it looks really hot.

    bartley Posted on 19 July 2007 9:54am
  • it is simply beautiful. it is the best looking falcon after the BA and BF. i love the lights on the front and back! but the only thing i dont like is that ford have gone to european style.i think ford need to stick with good aussie style.

    callum donnon Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • It looks like it's got a fat lip with that style front spoiler with its gaping hole.

    Tony Collins Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Looks like a commodre, what drugs are you on the VE looks like a BA with its falcon headlights. The boys ats General motors are the ones with no creativity and also playing catch up, think you need glasses to think it also looks like the Aurion.

    :) Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • I like it, it is Bold and new and very much a Ford, opens the way for future models. Well done Ladies and Gentleman, keep it up. I do to laugh I find the late Commodore very much a Ford , only Squashed.

    Brett Wilkins Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Look out ford is spending more and more millions to build a car that looks like a commodore,come on be individual and make a car that ford fans can call there own

    Darren Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • One must presume the photos are for and XR6 or 8 thus the bolder front end, which I do not find all that negative.However the grill does not appear changed enough especially if carried over to the basic cars.For the past 20 years or more Ford have produced cars which are near impossible to distinguish from the front (Forte excluded)does not look fresh enough, maybe they need to look at the Germans they manage to keep the corporate front end but still manage to differentiate from models as well as year to year always keeping it fresh. From the rear it still looks like an AU and this is not a pleasant look. The styling crease at the bottom of the door is a Datsun 240K revisited. I do hope they improve inside as well the outside all my d/riving experience in a Falcon (several thousand K's) do not bring pleasant experiences to me thus I would like to see improvements in seating and driver position. I do hope the new Falcon works as we need a local industry here, we cannot loose more manufacturers. Bill, Brisbane

    Bill Pursey Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Definitely looks different from the front but as with previous models I reckon it'll grow on you. So long as it has the blue oval on it I'm happy. Two of my boys have just bought a new ss comodore and an XR6 each and I know which one has my vote. Will be interesting to see what the improvements on the new cars are like compared to the previous models (Ford man for 46 yrs.)

    Paul Turner Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • This car looks like a Falcon! ...and that will be its downfall. Ford have taken the BF and pumped it up to look like an overweight pig. Are the people at Ford incapable of producing an attractive looking motor car? I suppose that old inline six will power this monster until it eventually rolls over and goes belly up. All you Ford employees better start looking for another job!

    Philip R Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • I think it looks fantastic, well done ford, both Holden and Ford has impressed me in the last 12 months, I just hope that Ford actually come to the party when they say power increase, bedause ford have been behind holden in that respect for a long time. David, those head lights that people say were copied from Manaro, well thats just bull because I have on video of a protatype car, well RV that Ford toyed with well before the Manaros re-release, so those people really need to attend all the car shows and look at whats not released as apposed to what has comercialy available. Every time one on the two Australian icon car makers bring out a car, these forums turn into a broken record of "Geez it looks like a Holden" or "Hey thats what Ford have done" give me a break and show some intelligence. Fans of either Ford or Holden both will benefit from healthy competition so be glad that improvements go on like this, I rest my case. Well done Ford, I think. Joel I think if the police use this model Falcon, can we start calling them pandas like in the UK.

    Tony Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • I have always bought Fords.Have not bought one for years,because every car apart from Chrysler,look the same.I still drive a Ford,in a F150 Truck.Not impressed at all.Sorry.

    R.J.Horo Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Have always been a ford fan because of there rich racing heritage the world over,from rally cars to nhra to formula 1 to indy & nascar not to mention winning the most championships in v8 supercars since 1960 ,and finishing 1,2,3 at leman to beat the worlds best sports cars back in the day.I currently own a ba mk 11 gt and love it ,i test drove a later model holden and it just didn't do it for me . I'll be waiting for the release of the new gt & no doubt I'll get 1. And as far as ford copying holden wake up clowns if they did that they would not have won so many races .

    michael kocks Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Well of course it looks a bit like a Commodore, a bit like the BF and a bit like the Aurion but aren't we heading for a car culture that is somewhat "generic"? Would Ford be so bold as to step way outside the expected design parameters after the AU experience? We should also remember that these could be artistic "mock ups" from the imagination of some budding artist who may be wanting to create a bit of a negative drip feeding for the buying public!

    Ron Pitt Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • Ive been a ford fan all my life but this sure does look like a HSV copycat. Which for Ford is probably a good move. Sales of bodykitted Commodores and Falcons must have gone thru the roof. Take a good look at how many HSV's and XR8/6/GT's are on the roads now. Like most people I hated the AU when it came out but with some years to get used to them even an AU with a bodykit on it can look good. When Holden bought out the VT Commodore I thought it was the most beautiful sedan in the world at the time and it still looks great; so if Ford want to copy that design to keep Ford fans happy, its probably not a bad move. I believe the G8 will be a huge seller in the US and if Ford had any brains at all theyd be copying Holden there as well and jumping on the bandwagon and shipping GT Falcons to US Police Depts before the G8 gets there. When I lived in the US in 2000 the local County Police used GT Mustangs, Im sure theyd rather have a G8 Buick or a GT Falcon, more power, more comfort, better handling and back doors.

    Randall Boscoe Posted on 18 July 2007 11:33am
  • I only had a read of a couple of comments i guess everyone is entitled to there opinion. I drive a BA MKII Typhoon 2005 6 speed manual and as soon as the 2008 gets released im getting one i can not believe the amount of performence i get out of my vehicle. I sell cars for a living and i have driven lots & lots of performence cars/sports cars and i say HANDS DOWN Typhoon is a serious piece of machinery its just all Go and if there are improvements then i want one. Don't get me wrong i like any manufactured car as long as its decent i dont go sooking about it saying that Ford try copy Holden or it looks like its got 2 black eyes whatever hey, i relly can't wait for it to be released... Im actually going to place an order to try and get the first one

    John Gagliardi Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • Nice looking car. Sleek, looks like its going fast just sitting there. Ford bashers would have us believe that Falcon are trying to look like Commodore. Why would they want to do that? The VE Commodore is hardly a stunner now is it? Short, fat, squat and looks like its been rear ended. And what was Holden thinking with those crappy looking wheels on the SS etc? Duh, hello, Holden this is the 21st century. Sack the dude who designed the wheels for starters and then do some serious arse kicking around the designers office. Holden must have been desperate to launch VE on time to let it out looking like it does. Falcon trying to look like Commodore; I remember VZ Commodore looking distinctly like a Magna from the back. Remember the Magnadore? Boring ! Next.

    Tony Perks Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • LOL It has taken Holden 15 odd years to catch up to the Falcon. With the exception of the EA, at least Ford waited to get it right before they released the car. The VT had a list of recalls as long as your arm, as well as IRS that they still hadn't got right since the VP with the tyres just about riding on the sidewall as they drive down the road, to engines running that lean to "rival many 4 cylinder cars on fuel consumption" in the VS that caused premature engine failure in the V6, cars bursing into flames cause of cheap rubber lines on sections of auto trans cooler lines.. Major issues with piston slap in the gen III - So bad there is a web site devoted to gm piston slap... Yes Holden may just caught up to the BA/BF Falcon with the VE, yet again, plagued with problems Recalls in weeks of the cars release (Fuel lines leaking around the engine, seat belts, doors) Holden could sell ice to the eskimos... It is all in marketing....

    Shane Thomas Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • it doesnt look anything like a BA/BF . u probly reckon a rx7 looks like articulated dumptruck

    bob brown Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • I think the car will look good in the flesh, especially if it has some new Mondeo styling cues. Lets be honest the bread and butter VE Commodore looks very plain.

    Robert Ewart Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • Ha Ha ford just copying commodore again and they will never match style or handling of a Holden they should just give up. Just look at the races every holden driver that fords payed millons for have won nothing since moving camps. And they still look crap compared to a Holden. Cheers stape

    ian stapleton Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • I can only laugh at the comments by people who say that Ford is playing catchup. That is the biggest joke I have ever heard!! The new VE finally comes out in 2006 with Multilink IRS, which the Falcon had since 2002. The VE finally does away with McPherson struts and switches to double a-arms, which the Falcons had before the AU. GM brought out DOHC on the alloytec in 2005, which the Barra had in 2002. Holden brought out 6 speed automatics in 2006, which the Falcon had since 2004. As for the Falcon copying the headlights of the monaro, thats rubbish, have a look at the VE headlights again, they are a blanket copy of the BA headlights, Holden didnt even try to disguise this one bit!!! Basically what I am pointing out is that Ford has been ahead ever since Henry built the Model T, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just dreaming.

    Luke Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • Personally i think it looks great, the front especially. The huge grill, black eyes really are distinctive, but still look awesome.

    daniel Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • Go Ford! At a time when Australian motorists are abandoning the big car in droves, Ford prepares to introduce ..... wait for it .... another big car to thhe Australian market. "Australian" manufacturers have concentrated on producing these big cars in the face of growing demand for small cars, and they had something like 20% of the new car market in '06 and this is getting smaller every year . Surely they must see that they're reading the market incorrectly, or perhaps the massive subsidies they get (remember, it's OUR tax money which pays for these subsidies which amount to around $3,500 per car) mean they don't really don't care. I'm all for assisting local manufacture, but surely the Government can't keep propping up an industry which persists in making cars we don't want

    John Vickary Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • The new Falcon, in a word, ugly !

    Bruce Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • Is the Ford Falcon still the only car designed AND built in Australia? The engine is totally Australian I think. Although Honda did help design the head. Most other cars seem to have a lot of their components designed or built overseas (commodores, etc).

    Norman Fraser Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • For all of you who say it looks like a Holden, and 'how original' etc, why don't you design the damn thing then? Go on, get out your scetch pad and drawn a new friggen Falcon. And while you're there, make them a new engine blueprint too. What's that? You can't? Well stop you're whining then! As with most things Australian, Ford and Holden have got a lot of catching up to do in the world of technology. European cars are lightyears ahead. Buy a 5 year old S class Benz and it'll have more features and technology than a VE and the Orion put together. So get over it. If you want a good car; buy an Audi; or a VW. European cars win hands down, better build, better engines, better car. Only reason they cost more is because of our government and its bloody taxes!

    Beej Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • What a fantastic looking car, can't wait to see the real thing and take it for a test drive. As far as some of the comments that nobody wants big cars they couldn't be more wrong. I have always been a v8 person and always will be. This car will leave the crapadores for dead. All I can say is holden dealer team you don't have a chance.

    Teresa Nelson Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • What an anti-climax. I own a Ford and my brother is a Holden man. I have always anticipated good things from Fod since the launch of the VE, and THIS is what Ford comes up with???? It looks like a tweaked up BA and to be perfectly honest, is already doomed to the basement with other un-imaginative car designs. I can't wait to hear and read hw the spin doctors at Ford will try and talk up sales. Good luck to them and commiserations to future buyers of this Ford. As for me, I am jumping ship as the grass looks greener where my sibling lives. Ciao!

    Azeez Siddeeq Posted on 18 July 2007 11:32am
  • it looks like a BA/BF with two black eyes, i was expecting a lot more than this. Not a ford fan but i really did think that the next gen falcon would look a lot better than this monstrousity.

    Joel Redman Posted on 17 July 2007 6:02pm
  • Looks like a Commodore? Yeah Maybe, but it looks even more like a Toyota Aurion than anything, how creative the boys at Ford are. In any case, it's the same always, with the General out in front and Henry's boys playing catch-up.

    Nick Mullen Posted on 17 July 2007 6:02pm
  • Funny reading through all these comments that many people say it looks like a VE. Little pictures like this don't do a car justice and looking at cars from different angles can make the car look taller / wider / longer, etc anyway. I think fords have been trying to look like holdens for years. When ford had to do something about the AU to try and improve sales it came up with the BA which looked as though it took headlights from the Monaro so for people to say "Keep it original", you need to think back more than just the last model. All the way back to EA Falcon / VN Commodore days Ford have been playing catch up with virtually everything from build quality to power steering, colour coded bumpers, auto headlights, airbags, traction control, cruise control and the list just keeps going. The best thing Ford have done is the Territory where they are not trying to compete directly against another local manufacturer and I do like the excellent idea ford have in making the pedals in the cars adjustable. More of that type of innovation is needed!

    David Posted on 17 July 2007 5:28pm
  • Doors, door handles, wedge shape profile, tail lights are very VE commy. Rear bumper "styling" same as out going commy sports models. Black sports looks Naff.

    Chris Posted on 17 July 2007 5:28pm
  • this car is the best ive ever seen, it wil blow away any commondore

    Damien Cespedes Posted on 17 July 2007 5:05pm
  • I'm sick of the sun and cars guide trying to pass these off as real photos. They are obviously photochops, hacked together from several different cars. Stop trying to sell newspapers and web advertising by using false headlines.

    Jeff Posted on 17 July 2007 5:05pm
  • Maybe this thing might be in the same league as the VE around a closed track on weekends.....before things take too much of a TOLL.

    Shane S Posted on 17 July 2007 5:05pm
  • Looks unreal, but hopefully the performance stacks up. If it (i.e. the XR8) is less than 1 second slower over the quarter mile compared to the new VE SS then Ford may as well say good bye to the boy racers. It does look bloody sweet though!

    Lynton Bourne Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • 'Ford have just copied Holden', well who did Holden copy? And who copied who ever Holden copied....and so on. Its hard to be original; and everyone is going for 'Euro' styling these days..... why not just buy a bloody Euro car...they're better anyway. As for Holden, DOHC was a foreign term to them; all they're V8's were pushrods...dinasours in the world of technology. Ford has a 5.4L DOHC V8, Holden has their new 6.0L (im assuming its an OHC) V8, and neither produce as much power or torque as the 4.2L DOHC V8 in the Audi RS4....Sure the RS4 is $164k, but its AWD, excellent build quality, European (not Euro styled), and it'll eat any Ford or Holden straight out of the box.

    Beej Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Nice to see the holdun peanuts dossing in their 2cents of ignorance. The car looks alright, will look forward to see more.

    Stoat Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Does anyone know where there are more photo's of the new GT and GTP?

    Davel Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Wake up FORD - Bring out a 2 door you fools - stop wasting money on perfuming a turd and bring out something different! - We want a 2 door - EGAS option on every car untill there is an electric motor available(not a hybrid) - And "real" technology ot more of the same crap - give us dentless panels that push out reform themselves, and real computing power in the dash. Lastly - stop optioning up taxi's and flogging them off as FPV - make them different to the base model and not just slapping spoilers, wheels, leather & mesh on them.....jesus - who is running the ideas engine at FORD!!

    Dean Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Nice looking holden!

    VL TURBRO Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • I dont know what all the fuss is about, people are moving away from these big cars in droves. I think Ford are wasting their time and money, (so are Holden) in developing these big, heavy cars. They should be moving into weight reduction and more advance engines. And whats this about a space saver to save weight! The difference between a full size alloy and a space saver would only be about 5kg. Dont get me wrong, the new Ford looks great, and the VE is a very very good car. But why are we lagging behind so many other countries in developing smarter cars. Look at what VW have just done with the Golf GT, 125KW from a 1.4! Yes a 1.4! Big cars with big engines are not the way forward.

    Bob Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Toyota has the 'Aurion' now Ford are using 'Orion'. Wh ponounced they sound the same! Why the confusion? Hope it has a Diesel and a Gas version as big car sales are dropping.

    David Low Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • The knockers are there already.. How can constructive comments be made when the model has only just reached a scant picture stage? give me a break!!!!!!!!

    Ces. Graham Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • If you want to know who has copied who, I know for a fact that they copied the Audi A8 and squeezed it into a Falcon shape. Not to mention that it takes about 5yrs to develop the car so there is no way they could copy the VE. What I want to know is when will any of the Aussie manufacturers do something different. The principal of the falcon design is no different to my 1970 Ford Cortina! and the back seat is about the same size! I.e. A steel body with a plastic dash!

    Insider Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • What is this...BF MkIII ????

    John Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • Well, of course it's not a major departure from the BA/BF, but neither was the VE from its predecessors. The puffed guards are to coincide with the Fiesta/Focus/Mondeo appearance, not a VE copy. The only VE related thing I see is the blackened surrounds on the front bumper. I like the rear treatment, tho it's still BA-esque. The front is aggressive, but I have to say the air dam is massive and I'm reminded of those whale sharks! The bonnet bulge is also a bit understated, though it could be the picture. I like what I see though...

    Dan C Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • I think the front end of the new Ford is just WRONG, it looks absolutely terrible, the new Ford looks like it has been crying forever with big black circles around it's eyes, cause it can't stack up against the Holden VE!!!. Nice try Ford but, i'm afraid it's back to the drawing board for you guys!!!.

    D Thomas Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • its about time its gold .its tuff and it does not look like a bmwdore (commodore)this is what i have been waiting for i want one

    RON SVECHHEIMERS Posted on 17 July 2007 5:04pm
  • ORION is the codename for the new falcon and it's been around longer than the AURION has. The Falcon and Commodore may look similar (they're sedans, it's hard to avoid similar styling) but they are quite different. By the way, I'm pretty sure the VE commodore ripped off the falcon, BA headlights anyone?

    Response to "keep it original" Posted on 17 July 2007 9:23am
  • Oh what a feeling? When did Toymotor start design work for the Ford Aurion. Sorry, Orion. The 2008 Ford looks like a bloated Toyota except it will not be built like a Toyota. It may not be bland, boring or for pensioners but it looks overweight and will poorly put togther by a Ford workforce one step from the redundancy line. Just don't take one to Japan as they are likely to try and harpoon this land whale.

    Mark McDonough Posted on 17 July 2007 9:23am
  • It's pretty strong...possibly a bit too aggressive for a family sedan. It would be interesting to see if the regular Falcons retain the black shroud and gaping mouth of these FPV models. More change was needed in the rear, it looks almost exactly the same as the current model.

    Max Shen Posted on 17 July 2007 9:23am
  • stehan.jelenic, I dont know what the hell you are talking about. I have owned 3 HSV Clubsports, and I have never had a problem with any of them. They have all been great cars and I will never look back. As as for fuel econimy, go buy a 2 litre.

    George S Posted on 17 July 2007 9:23am
  • To all those people saying 'this is just a VE copy/Ford are stealing Holden's ideas': Can it. The new Falcon looks nothing like the VE! The only thing that looks remotely like the VE is the door handles. And there's no such thing as originatlity anymore... (remember when the VE came out? Everyone said it looked like a BA Falcon on roids)

    Billy T. Posted on 17 July 2007 9:23am
  • I have long been a ford fan I just hope they get it right this time.Come on ford and holden its time to play catch up. SAFETY!!! FUEL ECONOMY!!!

    stehan.jelenic Posted on 16 July 2007 11:18am
  • what is it with Holden lovers ! both the commie and the falcon are an embarresment. build quality,fuel econimy and reliability are woeful by world standards.

    stehan.jelenic Posted on 16 July 2007 11:18am
  • I was shopping on the weekend for a brand new vehicle. FPV wanted $68,000 for the F6 Typhoon on-the-road. I cannot justify paying a sum like that when FPV (and HSV for that matter) drop in value so fast that you come in for a rude shock when you want to trade-in. This is due to Holden and Ford releasing "new models" every bloody year. Have a look on this website for example... I can pick up a VZ Clubsport R8 for only $37,000. This is a 2005 model! These things are $75,000 on the road when brand new, so in two years the value has dropped to almost 50% of its total cost. This is a message to Ford / Holden.... Stop degrading your cars value by releasing new models on a constant basis. Give us owners a reason to stay with you guys. BTW I will not be buying another Aussie built car.

    Frank Posted on 16 July 2007 11:18am
  • so in 2008,ford will release the new ve falcon.it,s obivious ford can,t come up with a totally new design,so they have to copy the commodore.the ve light years ahead ,ford,s always as to play catch-up.

    matthew mills Posted on 16 July 2007 9:49am
  • FPV, if it is the real deal, then well done on what appears to be a great looking car. However - "TOP SECRET" pictures, come on, who does the media think they are fooling? It really bothers me that we are expected to believe that the Herald Sun has the ¿scoop¿ on these pics¿more like another fine example of media sensationalism to sell papers. As a competitor in the large Aussie performance car market, FPV would have to be seriously concerned about what is runaway HSV train and the long term effect that HSV is going to have on their business. My question is, why didn't the premier automotive magazine, Wheels, have these photos? Why weren't the photos leaked on the web? In my opinion FPV identified that the Herald-Sun would give them the best chance at hitting their target audience to provide a teaser to stop any potential fence sitters purchasing cars until mid 2008 when the vehicles possibly may be released. I don¿t have a problem with this sort of corporate tactic, but I wish the media would stop asking us to swallow sensationalism in order to sell their publication.

    AJR Posted on 16 July 2007 9:49am
  • The side profile looks very good and of modern design, however the front and rear design of the car are still similar as the current BA Falcon models. The large air scoop and intake is too big for the car and looks like a shark mouth. Change the size to a similar design intake as the Chrysler or Audi cars and it will look good. Rear of the vehicle change the tail lights configuration. I am pleased that Ford are THINKING about a diesel engine version for the Ford Territory

    Peter Allen Posted on 16 July 2007 9:49am
  • great looking car craps on the dunnydore agme over GMH

    dino esposito Posted on 16 July 2007 9:49am
  • Hopefully the next Falcon will do a better job against the Holden Commode (sic)...Holden are getting too confident in a poorly built vehicle that has for some reason attracted the attention of an ill-informed Australian public.

    Ford fan Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • Nice, however too much like a cross breed between a BA/BF and a (shudder) VE Commode.....need to lose weight and be slightly more aggressive externally

    Dave O'Connell Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • It seems that ford are running out of ideas. First stealing names - Toyota AURION, Ford Falcon ORION. Then look at the styling stolen from the Commodore; mirrors, the flared gaurds, two colour rear spoiler, blinker on the front quarter panels, headlights closely simmilar, door handels, rubber strips along roof...

    keep it original Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • A back end that looks like a Subaru, passenger cell that looks like a Holden and a front end that looks like it has 2 black eyes. Retained engines, retained suspension and $500m to develop! Blimey! What did they spend it on?

    richard palmer Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • The new FPV's look very agressive and impressive. Lets hope their engines are equally as impressive.

    Jason Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • The falcon origins are actually mainland usa although the utility and panel van were local derivitaves with shorter rear overhang and a commonality of doors as the 2 door sedan was not available here. The XL Futura sedan with bucket seats and console was in fact launched 2 months prior to it's american counterpart.

    Gayr French Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • Nice, however too much like a cross breed between a BA/BF and a (shudder) VE Commode.....need to lose weight and be slightly more aggressive externally

    Dave O'Connell Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • wow!!!,about time FORD got serious.Can,t wait to see it in the flesh.I just hope they have adressed quality control and cut down on fuel consumption.

    stephan.michael.jelenic Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • Nice looking car bearing in mind that they are the sports models previewed. But for Ford Australia to survive they must go beyond skin deep and direct its efforts on quality control. Is the new Falcon still going to clunk, fall to bits and stall? At the end of the day for sheer reliability and value for money no one builds cars like the Japanese.

    John Micallef Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • The side profile looks very good and of modern design, however the front and rear design of the car are still similar as the current BA Falcon models. The large air scoop and intake is too big for the car and looks like a shark mouth. Change the size to a similar design intake as the Chrysler or Audi cars and it will look good. Rear of the vehicle change the tail lights configuration. I am pleased that Ford are THINKING about a diesel engine version for the Ford Territory

    Peter Allen Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • I think the new FPV looks brilliant! Muscle car looks with a hint of euro. If it drives as well as it looks, cant wait for the competition to heat up! They need to address quality, and fuel efficiency, but Im sure the engine and the handling will be awesome, well done Ford !

    Kris Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • I'm very very very disgusted that ford have chosen to pass off this as a new car..it is clearly a ve knock off..have ford reached their all time low and now feel they need to steal designs..they have no creative flair left in them..maybe one of the 600 they ahave just laid off could have been the one to design something original..

    ADAM Posted on 16 July 2007 9:46am
  • WOW this car is hot it looks so much more nicer then the ve commodore holden have strong competition look out a sexy car is coming!!!

    ANDREW Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • MATE, Been a Ford fan all my life and never have i been soooo excited about a new model Falcon. It looks awsome!!! All i can say is that the Holden VE range and the HSV cars betta watch out!!! Ford should be congratulated if the new car is half as good as you say it will be!!! Codz

    Cody Meerman Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • finally a ford that looks good but will the basic model have the 6speed auto and 6airbags as standard if not i will stay with my hyundai nf sonata which has more standard safety related features on a basic car than toyota camry commodore and falcon for the price

    ernie koenig Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • dude this is gunna kick VE ass! just puts some bigger pics up

    matt Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • holden/hsv 4 life ford can try BUT will never come close THUMBS DOWN 4 the orion

    milenko suka Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • The New Falcon will need to make the 6 speed ZF transmission standard across the range (even E-GAS). Forget the 4 speed and 5 speed auto's, keep the ZF. The New Falcon will need to make the E-GAS option across the range (XR6, XR6T, XR8 (yeap the eights as well), Ghia) and so forth. It would be ideal that the FPV's also have E-GAS as an option (E-GAS GT mmmm..... where do I sign)? The New Falcon should be easy to fix and maintain, engine bay to be large to work on it. Engine parts and bay, some important underpinnings should be metal, not plastic. The New Falcon interior windows especially front and rear inside should be easy to clean. The New Falcon requires improved reliability, quality, economy and performance. The current Falcon range is tooooo expensive. They should include on road costs. A full size matching space should be standard. All brakes should be upgraded, i.e. all FPV should have the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear bembo's. Standard brakes are crap. The GT HO should return as the flagship model, 300 for each model, i.e. 300 BA, 300BF and so forth.

    bill k Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • WOW this car is hot it looks so much more nicer then the ve commodore holden have strong competition look out a sexy car is coming!!!

    ANDREW Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • The new Fpv's look great! I am sure with Ford spending a reported $500,000 on the new model, it is going to be a superb car. They can only improve on what is already a very good car in the BF. The improvements made in engine efficiency, performance, chassis refinement, handling and ergonomics will surely have the opposition worried. After all, the older BF is just as good if not better in some areas than the VE . Of cause there are areas that it cannot possibly hope to be as good, mainly due to its age. It is in those areas though, where the new Orion will improve, and raise the bar like the BA did in 2002

    Mark Ewer Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • The new Falcon looks excellent. A better looking car than a commodore, and half the invetment price of one at $500,000,000! Sounds like a good deal for everyone - except Holden!

    Christian Fischer Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon?

    bill k Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • addition to last due to character restrictions: - Ford should look at the Holden seats, they are much better. The FPV GT-P seats are crap, cannot fit! How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon? C'Mon? Now if it looks like the spy pics and complies with my post, I'll buy one. How much trade-in for my Corolla?

    bill karta Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • The new Falcon to me doesn't look much different the the BA it replaces. You would think that the engineers at Ford would try and do something different and stretch the boundries,but all they have done is tweek a pig. Come on Ford you can do better than that.If you want to continue making cars in Australia, then lift your game. Peter Harris

    Peter Harris Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • I think the New Falcon looks awesome, and it already makes the Commodore look 5 years old. and can you guys get any larger pics.

    Michael Scaife Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • bring on the new model & more photos

    david serginson Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • Just another overrated ford, i couldnt bring myself to pay good money for any ford.... no matter how good it is claimed to be. I recently "considered" a Territory, but decided against it as there was no diesel optoin and the turbo model thirsty as buggery and most annoyingly not available in manual!!! oh and its a Ford. i think they are a very versatile car, but i wont buy another holden or try a ford anytime soon, no matter how good people say they are. Fancy the territory being branded car of the year, it had barely been released for 3 months or so, wouldnt the car have to prove itself over time??? Utter bullshit. Every car should be available in a decent 6 sp MANUAL !! not all of us are lazy drivers! This new falcon will probably be crowned "car of the year" within weeks of its release, LOL what a load of s%it!!! Just another poorly built overrated aussie car!! see ya

    Matthew Posted on 16 July 2007 9:43am
  • Ford Australia as with most of the other Australian automotive manufacturers are struggling to survive in this world of high fuel prices, tariffs and the high Australian Dollar. The publishing of supposed real pictures of Ford's new 2008 Falcon before the company is ready to show them must seriously damage the company's plan to bring this vehicle to market. This further erodes their competitive edge and puts their 5000+ employees and thousands of supplier jobs on even shakier ground. If these photographs are to be believed and not an elaborate hoax, it is far fetched to believe these images were found at a local tip in these days of the digital age. If real these images would have been no doubt stolen from the company, in my opinion this makes the actions of News Limited papers unethical by publishing and I would also imagine paying for these photographs- all for extra sales and 'the public interest'. Hopefully Ford and other local manufactures facing similar situations protest with their advertising dollar. If this photo is real it looks fantastic and will hopefully give the Australian automotive industry the boost is so dearly deserves securing thousands of jobs for the future.

    David Flanagan Posted on 16 July 2007 9:29am
  • The new ford is absolutly smashing, this car has set new standards in the holden vs ford battle. This will certainly put holden back to the drawing board. The only thing that ford should have done to make the car complete are flutes on the guards.

    Danny Petrovski Posted on 16 July 2007 9:27am
  • That's hidious. Tried to copy the VE yet failed and made it look ugly. HSV is always a step ahead of FPV. Hands down.

    George S Posted on 16 July 2007 9:27am
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