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Porsche v Nissan GT-R cheat claim ...settled?

  • By Karla Pincott
  • Carsguide
  • 25 November 2008
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Has the war between Porsche and Nissan over Nurburgring times finally been settled?

See below for video of some of the independent testing done.

There was a lot of attention in April when the Nissan GT-R did a lap of the Nurburgring in 7:29.

There was applause and there was also some doubt.

Porsche in particular told carsguide that it could not understand “how this time is possible” and that Nissan must have used non-standard tyres.

Porsche ran its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and said it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April. It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

Porsche said it took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and clocked the GT-R at 7:54.

The German sports car maker was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But Porsche eventually revealed its team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Nissan hit back, saying that its times were valid, and that it could provide evidence – both on video and in the form of the tyres it used.

Now, Drivers Republic in the UK has chimed in, with Ring veteran Chris Harris taking both a Nissan GT-R and a Porsche GT2 around the track.

Both vehicles were stock, except that the limiter was removed from the Nissan and it had Bridgestone tyres rather than the Dunlops used when the car set the 7:29 time.

Which vehicle proved the point? Drivers Republic has offered us their story and the video of their laps. 

And they’re happy for you to leave comments here for them to respond to.

 

Comments on this story

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  • look at the road tests and it should be spelt out for you, autocar,top gear and deceber issue of CAR.... porsche i have owned 3 carreras and one turbo, the GTR out brakes you without ceramic brakes, it is a lot heavier and it outruns you and changes direction quicker than you and is a hell of a lot cheaper, read the figures and weep.......

    Landers of UNITED KINGDOM........ Posted on 21 December 2009 10:31am

  • In reality, every independent ring test has shown the Nissan to be no better, so far, than 7.50min. The Nissan is good but not as good as Nissan would like everybody to think. Just about every Porche is in reality quicker than the GRT around the ring including a straight line sprint to top speed, check out the figures. also to compare the Nissan to a GT2 is a bit rich. I would like to see an independent test around the ring between a gtr and Porche Carrera S. Now that will be a good test. Cheers Lee

    Lee of Perth Posted on 08 July 2009 8:37pm

  • I would have to agree with all of those who can see that the Nissan driver in this video really isnt the pro driver Porsche claim him to be.

    JOHNNY2CENTS of melbourne Posted on 29 June 2009 5:18pm

  • If its bang for buck were talking about then the GTR would be my choice. On the other hand if your a millionare big shot with and a burning desire to look cool with your hired escort and dress suit, then you might consider the Porsche.

    JOHNNY2CENTS of melbourne Posted on 29 June 2009 5:07pm

  • What a beat up about nothing. we've got a bunch of big boys with fast toys and egos that are taking big hits. Let's get Subaru into the clash with their WRX to really give both Nissan and Porsche a time to beat. Then we'll have two fast car makers crying foul and accusing Subaru of swapping tyres, tinkering with engines or suspension. It doesn't matter which car is faster around the Nurburgring with a race driver at the wheel. you'll buy a Porsche or a Nissan because you like them and always will. 20 seconds on a race track isn't going to sway the buyer.

    Bazathome of Bribie Island, Queensland Posted on 21 June 2009 8:39am

  • Well i was quite surprised by the video. I can understand why porshe cracked a wobberly, The ring is to test the car for what i understand to be 'Road Model' Cars primzarily in this generia. But on the other hand i say good on nissan for turning around with a heavier less powerful car and dethroning the almighty 997 gt2. I have a great amount of respect for both cars but people also have to remember that these cars also have different heritage's and i can see why porshe is shitty because of nissan stepping on their toes. Porshe Needs to grow up and realise that at some point and time other comnpanies will rise through the world of motoring and that they aren't perfect. Bad luck boys GET OVER IT. try on the next model Rivals are so Funny smile

    R.Gartlan of Queensland Australia Posted on 26 January 2009 9:43pm

  • Personally myself if it wasn't for machines like the GTR a lot of these other rich mans cars wouldn't have been designed to the level they're at now. As for Porsche bunch of cry babies just like the aussies v8 races. They banned the Nissan because it was beating V8's. I say good on the Japanese and they will always come up with something better, thats progress for you.

    kevin puru of New Zealand Posted on 18 January 2009 9:26am

  • Seriously, who cares? The Porsche is timeless, been around for over 40 years where as the GTR will be a design dinosaur in 5 years time. On one hand your driving something with history and culture, on the other your driving something specifically made to compete and beat the classics. Like the Ford GT, was great while it was around and then disappeared......... I would prefer to see a comparison in real world driving situations.

    GoldCoastDude of Gold Coast Posted on 02 January 2009 9:36pm

  • Porsche is just trying to be hard-arsed. i had a huge amount of respect for them. they never used to do things like this. never! and what happened all of a sudden? well i know why: Porsche could always compete directly on performance with Ferrari, Lamborghini and other high priced exotics. the fact that it had no competitor on pricing, meant that it was always on top of its game. now all of a sudden along comes a competitor that not only beat them on performance, but also pricing and true value for money. (some of you know that previous generation GT-Rs have been doing this for a while...but don't let Porsche know about this or they might run you over with a Cayenne Turbo S at the 'Ring!). so what does Porsche do? shit in their pants and try to defame the gt-r!

    Kevin Rodrigo of South Africa Posted on 12 December 2008 6:50pm

  • Come on guys, why arn't we testing Hyundai's and Kia's around the ring, and we can then debate wheather kia used the Bob jane alrounders to set a time of 1hr 40 instead of the standard simex tyres, and then some knob can say that the ford focus is beter value for money and is quicker at the same time, but ran Pirelli tyres which are an optional extra..... well it's not like many people reading this stroy will ever drive a gtr, let along have the painfull decision of whether to buy gtr or a 911 T

    Zak Davidson Posted on 04 December 2008 12:16pm

  • Well it looks like when we all have the money to buy a gtr, we would all like it without the limiter and with some of those dunlop tyres aye. Then when we drive on the Ring we will deffinaltly beat everybody!!!! Really, why don't we get ahold of some of those magic dunlop tyres and do some tests in perfect weather conditions, then there will be no debate.

    jd Posted on 04 December 2008 12:11pm

  • There are so many variables in this video to draw a true conclusion, so i'm not going to get into details but Firstly: Wet track 2nd: GTR all wheel drive, GT2 rear drive 3rd: GTR has clutchless manual, GT2 real manual So in this situation Nissan should easily win ?????

    Nathan of Newcastle Posted on 03 December 2008 5:10pm

  • The dude driving the Nissan even had the wipers going there for a bit.. Not somethng a pro driver would be doing lol

    Rene of Gold Coast QLD Posted on 03 December 2008 2:42pm

  • it's interesting, but i just feel that one or both manufacturers aren't telling the whole story. it would've been excellent to see the full lap in person. it is possible that both might've been off the pace a bit. the tyres maybe had something to do with it.

    Anthony blyth of Merrylands, NSW Posted on 03 December 2008 1:28pm

  • I love it. Top Gear tried and came close and Im sure this vid will be scrutinized for weeks to come but what can you say. Price wise, design wise, drive wise you have to go GTR.

    Basil of SportsFox.com.au Posted on 03 December 2008 12:19pm

  • I thought the whole argument was Porsche saying that Nissan have used non-standard tyres or exagerated the time, not all the other irrelevant crap that everyone is going on about such as price, etc. Even if that Nissan driver was a little off the pace, that stills leaves 20 seconds time difference that Nissan have magically pulled out of their arse some how.

    Robert of Sydney Posted on 03 December 2008 10:59am

  • Of course Porsche won't admit that they lost. Embarassing for Porsche especially the car that beat their most loving GT2 is a Japanese and cost $300 grand less. GO NISSAN!!!

    duggy Posted on 03 December 2008 8:01am

  • The GTR V-spec will be the GT2 equivalent for Nissan. And when they release it, I have no doubt it will send the Porshce back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs (and for half the price too!). Seriously though, Porsche should be embarrassed that they are even engaged in this debate - they should be slugging it out with Ferrari or Lambo - Not with Nissan! Good on you Nissan for sticking it to them. Not in a million years would I buy a retro looking overpriced Porsche of any kind. Suffice to say I have my GTR on order for delivery early next year. Cant wait!

    Reuben Buchanan of NSW Posted on 03 December 2008 1:15am

  • Didnt I read that a corvette (with leaf springs) beat both these cars times and has the new record a few months ago? And to stay on topic...the GTR should've been run with the dunlops...unfair testing imo.

    HG of Sydney Posted on 03 December 2008 12:29am

  • My money's on the GTR! If Porsche are so sure the Japanese supercar can't beat their Borsche, then put their top driver up against Nissan's top driver and Porsche to give Nissan a 25 second head start, ( the difference between Nissan's claim and Porsche's claim! Will Porsche accept defeat if the Nissan wins? I don't think they have the guts to take the chance! And for the tyres remark, so many of us that drive expensive sports cars, generally change the wheels and tyres first! The wheels to have a more unique vehicle and add the wow factor and the tyres for reasons too many to mention!

    Chris Moore of Sydney Posted on 02 December 2008 10:57pm

  • Some of you fellows sound like Harley-Davidson riders, and will not admit that the Jap gear is not only cheaper, more powerful, quicker, much more comfortable to ride, but also more RELIABLE, more bang for your buck???

    Norman Fraser of Roma , Qld. Posted on 02 December 2008 9:03pm

  • Why jap lovers are trying to avoid the truth? The truth is GTR's laptime was 7:55.9. Nissan told a lie. Why are you talking about GT2? To find excuses? Just buy a porshe if you can afford. Otherwise just buy GTR and boast your innocent girl friend "My GTR is much better than that aged porshe!".

    Jin Posted on 02 December 2008 7:55pm

  • If you look back in the day there was no such thing as ABS, Airbags, etc... just a helmet and pray to go that the normal disc brakes will do its job. Now you have the Japanese warriors to put fear in eyes of others because they drive as if they have their groceries piled up in the boot strolling down the street on a Sunday afternoon... COM'ON.... that was hopeless driving... its no wonder the Japanese Claim the lap time as they have stated... Japanese don't show fear when driving because the Helmet, airbags and ABS is all there to get used in the event of an incident because they are pushing the car to its full limit... Yes thats right!! Face it Porsche, the potential market where you thought buyers would continue to waste away $447,000 is now going to the East with a huge amount of savings. I would buy a Nissan GTR because its not always about class.. Unless you are going to race your car everyday between home and work and work and home i doubt you would even reach the speeds to max out the reasoning why you have spent $447,000 on a car. The price tag justifies the reasoning why the Nissan GTR is less expensive and a tad more powerful... its now drawing its attention that people who spend $447,000 are just idiots, blinded and tools compensating for the tic tac in their pants.

    wolfy of sydney Posted on 02 December 2008 6:42pm

  • The Nissan seems to handle its self very well as for the porsche they only showed glimpses of it. The point isnt price, the point is who is moving foward with its technology and who is improving. The porsche was ahead of its time and still is up there with the best but I can see Nissan jumping in leaps and bounds and can easily see it passing Porsche soon and as we all know car companys do things slowly so they dont release the best of the best and we keep on buying.

    Raj Dobbin of Melbourne Posted on 02 December 2008 5:34pm

  • Not the GTR is not been driven to it full potential and not useing as much road as the porch seem slike the driver is out for a sunday drive Ive seen better driving on Top Gear as for the porch ovERER priced for a VDUBW

    Bruce Nation of Melbourne Posted on 02 December 2008 4:34pm

  • Funny thing is, this all goes back to 1964 when the skyline GTB set a faster lap time than the Porsche 904 Carrera GTS at Suzuka (Porsche won the race that day) - and the Porsche guys whine and act like Nissan is a newcomer to fast cars. Fact is, you'll never get an unbiased test - since there are no drivers experienced at driving the 'ring who haven't spent more hours behind the wheel of Porsche's sportscars which are boringly similar year after year.

    Chas of SA Posted on 02 December 2008 4:22pm

  • It comes down to how much you want to spend..the GTR is a fantastic car for the price..However the Porsche brand will always have that air of prestige, because they don't make $13,990 hatches and sell them to the masses. Japan makes very good cars for a lot less money than Germany, but they are built to a price, that is their unique value proposition - bang for buck. I think the engineering award should go to Porsche, they hold the record at the Nurburgring. I think the underdog award would go to Nissan, who have taken an impressive fight to a car three times more expensive, and I would probably buy the Nissan for this very reason.

    cb of melbourne Posted on 02 December 2008 4:11pm

  • lets put it this way: 2 cars achieve very similar perfomace figures GT2: $447,000 (includes badge) if you see one on the road "Nice Porsche" GTR: $150,000ish if you see one on the road "!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!" i would still choose the GTR even if the GT2 was being sold for 150k (and i had the money). But hey i would get the HSV W427, i know its not in there league but man it one hell of a car and almost certain to be the best investment out of the lot

    kohan Posted on 02 December 2008 12:37am

  • to those german car lover who think the porsche is more reliable. my girlfriend has a bmw and it overheats every summer and we have tried multiple mechanics who can tfix the problem. My father works for volkswagon in the last year he has blown 1 transmission and blown up an engine as well, in brand new golfs. How many old skylines, 300zx's, WRX's roming the streets, you see them all day long, common yes, but they are used as daily cars and generally seem to last. Also the GTR is appealing whereas the porsche is boring, and always look the same as the previous model. I would take the GTR over any porsche any day. and im not usually into jap cars

    c.jones of melbourne Posted on 02 December 2008 12:27am

  • Face it . Porsche are scared . with the low cost GT-R giving performances like these , how can porsche justify the hefty price tags for 3 seconds of advantage . not only that Porsche had to use a chassis development engineer in the GT-R, whilst they had a professional race driver in theirs. and if the GT-R was tested on dunlops by Nissan, why not simulate it here, its a race track not a public road. FACE IT, the days of expensive performance cars are nearing the end with the arrival of the Nissan GT-R

    sunny Posted on 30 November 2008 4:02pm

  • While the GTR is a great car with undeniable power and handling it is still a Nissan. Though an expensive one. The fact that Nissan seems to have been caught out quoting false times leads one to think that they are having a hard time justifying the retail price. They don't tell you how poorly it performs in traffic. Overheating etc... But I do respect the bang for your buck.

    chris of brisbane Posted on 29 November 2008 8:35am

  • The nissan R33 GTR clocked a sub 8 minute lap of this track 13 years ago. Do you truely beleive that 13 years of motoring technology is only going to be worth 6 seconds. i.e. a 7minute 54 seconds lap. The new R35 is much more powerful and can acheive much more straigh line speed for starters. Leave the cornering speeds out of the equation - the acceleration between the corners should be worth a huge chunk of time. I believe nissans claims. The 7 minute 38 lap was probably done on the slower bridgestones - just an assumption.

    Justin O of NSW Posted on 29 November 2008 1:23am

  • RE: Nick of Melbourne, If you read the final review on the GT2 V GTR debate, you will see that the GT2 won, but not by much. So where did the $300,000 go to you ask?......Afetr only 7+ minutes of driving, the Nissan disc brakes started to fade, and god knows what else....imagine what it would be like after 10 years.... Superior engineering assures that the Posrche will last over the years and keep it's performance..wheeras the Nissan wont...much like most Japanese cars. So...if i'm willing to pay $300,000 more for a lifetime of prestige, power, engineering marvel and long term quality....i guess i'm a fool...

    Dat Vuong of melbourne Posted on 28 November 2008 7:44pm

  • C'mon! Put your snobbiness down and think! Porsche driver in GTR? Is he going to say it is faster? Big track, 20km approx, there could be lots of variables. Porsche $440,000.........GTR $150,000, both good cars. With one of them you are paying an extra approx $300,000 for what? The badge? People get stooged alll the time by higher prices and think it must be better. That Porsche should only cost roughly $150,000 too. Fools for paying more.

    nick of melbourne Posted on 28 November 2008 1:22pm

  • At the end of the day a Porsche is a Porsche and a Nissan will always be considered to be, a Nissan. One has pedigree and breeding, the other is best known for competent 4WDs, reliable city hatches and second hand souped up sedans driven by hoons (OK not all are but I did say best known). The GT-R will never get any serious respect whilst this situation prevails regardless of which is faster round some race track or other. Pity really as the GT-R is a very good bit of kit. They should have used another brand name really, but this is halo marketing at work. And then take a look at the two marques when 5 or 10 years old. No question, I'd rather have a Porsche.

    Lawrence Glynn of Canberra Posted on 27 November 2008 6:22pm

  • This proves nothing. If they were going to go to the effort of re-enacting the test then why didn't they run on the Dunlops like Nissan did? I'll reserve judgement until I see the Nissan footage.

    Adam Posted on 27 November 2008 5:02pm

  • You guys truly are dumb! Bob, you just made an idiot of yourself, which one of those cars you mentioned ran the ring on road tires? Where talking about road registered cars man, not race cars dumb ass. And before you say something that the car is not registrable in Australia, no-one is talking about Australia. It IS legal nearly everywhere else... Moron

    Dan 2 of Overseas Posted on 27 November 2008 3:51pm

  • To: the alex - brisbane No one said that the Veyron was a shit car. Yes your right it is in fact in its own world, your trying to compare a Bomber with a Jet Fighter. Its bloody amazing for what it can do i'm surprised it can even go around the track. But in the end the Veyron was designed to be the "Fastest" manufactured car on the road which it has done. But i don't think you will be seeing this car in the racers world in the near future unless they decide to strip that down to. That'll be scary!

    anonymous Posted on 27 November 2008 3:27pm

  • To rw: Cant you even get your own lines. "Porsche, there is no substitute" from Risky Business staring Tom Cruise & Rebecca De Mornay. You've got your Kappa trackies on to tight mate.

    TJ Posted on 27 November 2008 2:43pm

  • The Viper has only done 7:59. A couple of Radicals are the quickest production cars. As for the Veyron being sooooo great, the McLaren SLR is as quick around the ring.

    elephino Posted on 27 November 2008 1:03pm

  • Let me see if I understand this correctly. Porsche uses their "chassis development engineer" to drive a GT-R shod with the slower Bridgestone tyres and clock 7.54. Nissan uses Toshio Suzuki (a professional race driver, Ring master and GT-R development driver) to drive a GT-R shod with the faster Dunlop tyres (still a factory option tyre) and record 7.29 (with video evidence). Does anyone seriously believe that the skill of a driver and the tyres used would make no difference on a 20 kilometre circuit? Hardly surprising that Porsche doesn't match Nissan's time! It's akin to Nissan using a Nissan chassis development engineer to drive Porsche's GT2, shod without the semi slick Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres and then saying "the GT2's record lap time set by Walter Rohl is not legitimate". Let's not also forget that Porsche has never supplied video evidence to substantiate any of their Ring times.

    John Doe Posted on 27 November 2008 11:31am

  • Dan 2 - I feel sorry for you. The veyron dominates at 7:40? You're kidding right, a skyline clocked a 7:38 on the Nurburgring and the fastest time clocked so far by a production car was a Dodge Viper SRT-10 at 7:22. Before YOU bad someone, get your facts straight.

    Bob Posted on 27 November 2008 10:29am

  • Is that the STIG in the Porsche? That must mean Clarkson is in the GTR. Now if the STIG was driving it !!!!!

    Dave A Posted on 26 November 2008 11:40pm

  • That's an embarassment. If my favourite girl Sabine can drive a Transit diesel around the Nurburgring in 10 mins then 2 sport cars should be able to do much better than 7 min 50 sec. Especially the GT2, at 1/2 a million. Definitely nowhere near 6 times the performance, not even twice.

    Dan the man of Sydney Posted on 26 November 2008 2:09pm

  • And to all you people having a crack at the Veyron - that car is in a world of it's own. There is no other vehicle that can do all that the Veyron can. It is an incredible performer and absolute luxury vehicle of complete refinment. James May's described it as 'a Space Shuttle for Cessna pilots'.The designer of the Mclaren F1 used to ridicle the Veyrons wieght as well untill he jumped in it and gave it a trash around a track. After that he changed his tone saying it was incredible how well it handled and braked. And when you consider that the only cars faster around the Nurburgring are stripped-out, all compromise road going race cars without the slightest inkiling of any luxuries you then realise how good the Veyron is and what it's managed to accomplish. And it's looking like Nissan did cheat and if that's the case the then GTR is a shame and I have lost respect for it.

    the alex of brisbane Posted on 26 November 2008 2:08pm

  • To all thos bagging Dan, the Veyron doesn't only dominate in a straight line, it achieves a 7min:40sec lap around Nurburgring. Get YOUR facts right before you bad someone..

    Dan 2 of Overseas Posted on 26 November 2008 1:16pm

  • To Rw, Stick to the bus and make sure it takes you to school. And in regards to this article, GTR > Porsche. =)

    Chris of Sydney Posted on 26 November 2008 12:42pm

  • To: rw - HAHA yes it’s a Porche a car company that has been trying to perfect their vehicle for 40 years, and over the 40 years its still looks the damned same. I use to love the Porche because it was somehow drilled into my head that it was an elitist car but now to me it’s just afraid of change. And as for the comment about rather riding on the bus than the GTR I think you’re afraid of change. Oh and this maybe reliving the past but do you remember the R32 GTR the pinnacle of motoring engineering? Jap try hard? I think your the real try hard.

    anonymous Posted on 26 November 2008 10:42am

  • if u guys doh give a crap... y bother watchin it and sharin ur comments? losers! 'OMG... i drive a suzuki and i doh care...' yeah... wateva... but u DID watch da voice, didn't u? so u DO care! ha! As for Nissan fans... haha... OMG i'm so fully sick jap car try-hards... duuuudes, come on man... these r Porsches! 'PORSCHE. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE.' Plus... da GTR thing looks damn ugly... i'd rather catch a bus than drive dat crap around!

    rw Posted on 26 November 2008 1:01am

  • Quick to jump to conclusions eh? This is hardly conclusive - on any fronts. More variables are added to the equation after this exercise.

    Amup of Perth Posted on 26 November 2008 12:35am

  • BooHooo HOOOO!! Porsche is throwing a BIG teary!! Here Porsche, here's a kleenex wipe your bloody tears away you sooks! I still believe the GT-R is one of the most dynamic and amazingly quick and beautiful motor vehicles to ever hit the roads, whether it be the R32, 33, 34 or the new 35, they whip anything, not to forget they are restricted to the sh%thouse mechanically and much, much more power can be harnessed from this Nissan Beast! Dan from Chapel St, your racist comments really aren't called for and aren't necessary mate, we all realise that you WISH you can buy one of these motor vehicles, just make sure you don't piss up your dole money and have enough money to pay your rent at the end of the month matey.

    Dwain of Melbourne Posted on 25 November 2008 9:45pm

  • This video proves that if you are looking for speed compared with what you pay. GT-R is surely the winner. If you look for a brand to support your status, Porsche should be your choice. Most of the owners cannot have a chance to reach 50% of those car's top speed in their life unless they go well over the speed limit. So, on the road both are the same. I would like to see a comparison of these cars with a 500cc motorbike. I think that will give us a good video to watch.

    Donald of VIC Posted on 25 November 2008 8:57pm

  • Macca - to each their own Dave 1 - welcome to the real world Everyone - what made me purchase my E34 M5 was a youtube clip of a dude in his E34 M5 (3.8lt) on the 'ring' with a passenger on vid, picking off Porsches and such one by one (albeit not GT3's). Now back to those bar chords...

    P Newman of VIC Posted on 25 November 2008 7:56pm

  • It would be interesting to see the times for both cars on a fully dry track. Obviously with a wet track you would think both cars would have to be held back a little to avoid getting into trouble.

    Sam of Brisbane Posted on 25 November 2008 7:44pm

  • well....ed ordynski (btw, he can drive) just showed how the GTR is quicker then a GT2, in one of the motoring mags, and he is someone whose opinion I resepect perhaps dan the man from chapel street would like to call Ed and tell him he's BS.....

    john Posted on 25 November 2008 6:03pm

  • To P Newman: Are you insane comparing a swift to the Porche and the GTR? These cars arn't even in the same league. Your in another world my friend and frankly your comment shouldn't belong here.

    anonymous Posted on 25 November 2008 5:28pm

  • If you guys don't care which car is the fastest, or even care which one you would own then don't comment. The article is in reference to which car is the fastest, not which car you wouldn't want to own. And Dave1... you aspire to more energy efficient cars, is that because you're cheap? Is that what you're trying to imply here? I admire you're honesty mate.

    Bob of Melbourne Posted on 25 November 2008 5:22pm

  • To Dan a veyron maybe fast on a straight but i'd like to see you maneuver a 2 tonne vehicle around the nurburgring at break neck speeds. Well done. /clap

    anonymous Posted on 25 November 2008 5:18pm

  • Dan - Chapel street muait.... Fully shick... , In reply to what you said, why are you comparing a car that dominates in a straight line to a car that dominates on racing tracks that have turns? Cars is not all about straight line speed. How the suspension system and also a lot of minor factors are designed all contribute to how a car drives on a track.

    anonymous Posted on 25 November 2008 4:32pm

  • Actually Ryan it was a question everyone asked. How did the Nissan get a 7min 29 when the GT2 cant get those times. The question of the 7min 29 hasnt been answered but it does put serious doubt on the claim when the GT2 is obviously a faster car.

    DM Posted on 25 November 2008 4:25pm

  • Notice how now (when Nissan has been proven wrong and beaten) everyone is saying 'who cares' but when when it was porsche who looked like they were the ones who were beaten everybody seemed to care then. I think people out there just can't hack that the GTR was a sham all along!

    the alex of brisbane Posted on 25 November 2008 4:07pm

  • Actually scrap that - it shows the times in the photo gallery.

    the alex of brisbane Posted on 25 November 2008 3:34pm

  • I agree who cares... Ihave also owned many cars some of which were performance vehicles. I now aspire to more energy efficient cheaper cars courtesy of a massive drop in my net worth over the last year. I like both the Nissan GTR and the Porsche but I will never again spend lots of money on cars and I think this debate focussed on speed is largely irrelevant given the current state of the world and the dwindling fuel supplies.

    Dave1 Posted on 25 November 2008 3:25pm

  • Well, I'm on a work computer and can't access the video so if someone would like to type the times the cars achieved that would be great smile

    the alex of brisbane Posted on 25 November 2008 3:25pm

  • HA HA! Owned.... 7mins 29 Nissan aye? I knew that was BS from the very second i heard it.. Faster than a Veyron, yeah right... What are all you Muzzas gonna say now? Wait, let me guess, Porche cheated now... Maybe they had nitro? Come guys, i'm sure you guys can come up with some excuses for performing badly. But the difference here is that we aint your bimbo girlfriends and we wont fall for em...

    Dan of Chapel street muait.... Fully shick... Posted on 25 November 2008 3:17pm

  • HA HA! Owned.... 7mins 29 Nissan aye? I knew that was BS from the very second i heard it.. Faster than a Veyron, yeah right... What are all you Muzzas gonna say now? Wait, let me guess, Porche cheated now... Maybe they had nitro? Come guys, i'm sure you guys can come up with some excuses for performing badly. But the difference here is that we aint your bimbo girlfriends and we wont fall for em...

    Dan of Chapel street muait.... Fully shick... Posted on 25 November 2008 2:27pm

  • p newman - a fair few people care! nissan are challenging the old supercar guard with a flegling new kid on the block at half the price.

    macca of melbourne Posted on 25 November 2008 2:24pm

  • Maybe the GT3 can do better.

    David Posted on 25 November 2008 2:20pm

  • This article answers a question nobody asked. Nissan never claimed the GT-R was faster than a GT2. The claim was the GT-R was faster than a 911 Turbo. There is a difference between the two cars.

    Ryan of Melbourne Posted on 25 November 2008 1:06pm

  • Frankly who cares. One is a Porsche, the other a Nissan - I wont own either. I have owned sports cars (my last was a wonderful BMW E34 M5) and now drive a Suzuki Swift. The Swift is a cracker of a car, has a leather steering wheel and the stereo works! Time to worry about more important things in life like working on my bar chords...

    P Newman of VIC Posted on 25 November 2008 11:50am
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