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Commodore battery problem

  • By Neil McDonald
  • Herald Sun
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    Even GM-Holden is stumped by what's causing batteries in late-model VE Commodores to run flat.

The country's best selling family car has been hit by a mysterious electric glitch...

...that is leaving some Holden Commodore owners stranded. Even GM-Holden is stumped by what's causing batteries in late-model VE Commodores to run flat. The company's product communications manager, Kate Lonsdale, says the battery bugbear is now being treated as a priority.

However, GM-Holden is unsure how many cars are affected, or which models. "We need to see if there is a pattern or a common link," she says. Lonsdale says the electrical problem was proving difficult to pinpoint. "There are so many reasons why a battery can go flat," she says. "What we're hearing is that it is not the battery so much as something draining the battery."

Nationally several dealers have experienced intermittent battery problems with customer cars but they say these have largely been fixed. South Gippsland oil rig worker, Rob Flannigan, says his $55,000 Calais wagon has left his family stranded five times since he bought the car new last year. "I'm fed up," he says.

Flannigan says he is so worried the 2008 luxury wagon will not start he now carries a recharge pack in the car. "When you spend that amount of money on a car you don't expect 1950s levels of reliability," he says.

Despite his local dealer admitting there was a problem, Flannigan says has had little luck with Holden's customer assistance centre. "I really would like it fixed," he says.

The battery problem became critical when Flannigan's 17-year-old son needed urgent medical help earlier this year because of a broken hand. "My wife Julie tried to start the car and the battery was flat," he says.

They phoned Holden roadside assist to jump start the car but then had to borrow a car to rush his son to hospital. Various state-based motoring organisations say the problem is an old one. The NRMA, which handles Holden's premium roadside assist, says there has been a small increase in flat batteries in the VE ‘but nothing that would be categorised as a major issue’.

One popular theory on the cause is a software problem with the alternator, which is not providing enough charge to the battery on short journeys, causing the battery to run down.

Lonsdale urges worried owners to contact their dealers or Holden's customer assistance centre.

 

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  • I am still suffering this problem. Would you believe that Holden Customer Service told me that you have to drive the car 20 km a day to keep the thing going! They find this completely acceptable. Amazing.

    Rob of Scone Posted on 09 June 2011 5:21pm
  • the discharge problem is caused by the hazard switch, which can make the air con stay on. this is what happened to a ve i was looking at. just press the hazard on and of and it stopped the battery discharging.

    john parker of perth wa Posted on 21 March 2011 10:41pm
  • We bought a new VE Commodore 2008 and have experienced a flat battery at least six times. We are now considering trading the car on a Toyota. We have had a number of Commodores in the past and have NEVER experienced the same problem. Our Holden Dealer has shown little interest in helping us (which is why we are still experiencing the problem after three years of ownership).

    Anne Sharpe of Gatton, Q Posted on 10 February 2011 10:21pm
  • The VE has had electrical problems since day one; not only this but HVAC, radio/media problems. Even 'wheels' documented this during their long-term test of a calais. If you're in the market for a large car your much better off buying the Ford Falcon; the HMI (Human-Machine Interface) in these puts the Commodore (and most other cars) to shame.

    Ron Posted on 16 January 2010 4:15am
  • Just had a batch of battery problems with our '06 Omega. Since the start of summer we have been using aircon AND driving lots of short trips. One morning we got a warning light that battery was low, similar time-period the aircon selectors stopped working (no fan, no demister etc), next day ok. One saturday morning battery is dead. RACV jumpstart, decide battery may be dying so RACV replaced battery for $192. RACV confirms alternator working 'fine'. Sunday, battery dead. RACV jumpstart drove to dealer, dealer recharges battery (Monday afternoon to Tuesday) says BCM 'better than normal' in terms of shut-down, collect car Tuesday afternoon, drive home. Wednesday battery dead as a dodo. Took to dealer and they say reckon the RACV battery is dodgy. Waiting for RACV battery test Wednesday morning. On Tuesday I had driven the car about 2km, no lights, air-con on, radio working. Closed car using remote. My thoughts are something is draining the battery. The radio was not left on. The lights were not left on. The boot was correctly closed. Could it be the computer is keeping the light meter running or the radio on standby?

    Alex of Melbourne Posted on 18 November 2009 12:45pm
  • Sick of the recuring problems Jamie of perth BUY A FORD problem solved.

    Dave of Qld Posted on 14 October 2009 8:16pm
  • My VE Calais sportswagon (V series)has had 2 flat batteries in 1 year. Bothtimes car was left in a secure garage with keys in ignition. nrma man advise always lock as this shuts down all the modules. Other problem is with DVD player which has been replaced twice. Both times failed before the end of the first movie! - great for the kids on a long trip..Otherwise the car has had no problems.

    Ian Sneddon of Newcastle Posted on 12 October 2009 11:38pm
  • I've had no problem with my VE Calais which is now 30 months old.

    William Moulds of Gold Coast Posted on 11 October 2009 10:51am
  • i have owned all duramax silverados all had the same problem if you left radio on for 1 hour flat battery lates one doesent have problem i have lates v8 6 speed has same fault battery seems to small or to far from starter may check how they fixed this problem in the silverado as holden use simlar technoligy

    ian irvin of amphitheatre 3468 Posted on 10 October 2009 9:21pm
  • Exactly right with the ammeter test! Pretty sad when you have to tell the dealership/manufacturer how to troubleshoot your (their) vehicle. I have a friend whose family business is manufacturing automotive batteries. I recall him telling me, when the VE Commondore was released, that the car's battery was unique to the vehicle and would not be available as an off-the-shelf 'generic' variant that you could go into an auto parts shop and purchase. IOW, it was only available at a GMH dealership. Not sure if this is still the case, but that's pretty handy when you're stranded with a dead battery in some small country town a few hundred kays from the nearest Holden Dealer-NOT!

    Bartman of Perth Posted on 07 October 2009 2:24pm
  • Word is that the entertainment systems in the high end models are casuing issues. try Pulling the fuse for the DVD player above the battery and leave it out for 10 minutes. Lets not bash Holden too hard over this as other makes are having similar issues. Can you imagine trying to graft all that CAN BUS technology with all the different protocols into an car in Australia.

    Jason Marshall of Brisbane Posted on 07 October 2009 1:49pm
  • I had a charging problem with my very low mileage VX Calais V6 some time ago. Eventually the charge warning light flickered a number of times and then came on and stayed on.I started the car with the bonnet raised one evening and could see a glow coming from the rear of the alternator. When I checked there was a loose connection to the alternator, the nut had come loose and there was severe arcing on the terminal. The auto electrician told me he had seen the problem before as Holden did not use a washer behind the nut to lock it. Could it be a similar problem today?

    Ian Johnstone of Queensland Posted on 07 October 2009 1:07pm
  • Buy a Falcon instead !!!!

    Rocket of Ryde Posted on 07 October 2009 8:36am
  • people leave commodore lights on then lock the car and it apparently turns them off. Obviously it must leave an electrical charge to the lights still running when the car is locked!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Typical HOLDEN!!!!!!!

    GHOST 666 of IN TOWN Posted on 06 October 2009 11:37pm
  • I have the same problem with my car occasionally and mine is a 2005 model

    Steve of Sydney Posted on 06 October 2009 11:25pm
  • The most reliable fix is buy a Toyota. I've owned two Commodores in the past and that's the last. If reliability is important there is no competition between them.

    Kangaroocove of Adelaide Posted on 06 October 2009 9:35pm
  • I have the same problem with my car occasionally and mine is a 2005 model

    Steve of Sydney Posted on 06 October 2009 8:46pm
  • Interestingly none of the cars pictured above have that issue smile

    VE Driver Posted on 06 October 2009 8:06pm
  • I feel certain the fault could be traced to the over use of Wanker lites {fog} as every holden I have seen has them on even in broad daylight.

    Busterr of gladstone Posted on 06 October 2009 7:50pm
  • Yes, set up an Amp-meter on the battery, stop car, read charge, pull fuses to see which circuit is draining power, once you find the draining circuit, then isolate the devices running off that circuit to find the culprit!...it is not Rocket Science.

    Ash Grant of Adelaide, South Australia Posted on 06 October 2009 7:20pm
  • Bonester, with respect, the Ammeter goes in series and the Voltmeter goes 'across' the battery. Having said that, a good quality Ammeter 'in line' with the Ignition OFF should indicate any current flow, in modern cars there will always be very limited current flow to feed the clock/security system etc, certainly NOT enough to flatten a 'healthy' car battery for probably months. NB: Only specialised meters to be connected when engine cranking. Assuming the worst case that a Commodore appears ok and some hours later the battery is 'flat' then clearly there must be a substantial load being imposed on the battery, (hence the Ammeter check and Bonester's 'start isolating circuits/pull fuses' to identify the current/drain path). Three 'frustrating' issues I have had with 'healthy' batteries mysteriously going flat include 1: The dreaded Battery 'bad batch' wherein the 'new' battery suffers at least one cell internal failure. 2: Poorly connected leads or rust inhibitor left on the terminal post/s effectively 'insulating' the 12V from the car electricals. 3: Alternator 'overvoltage' applied to battery resulting in a failed cell or worse, maybe the 'software problem' applies here.

    DEEJAY51 of Gold Coast Posted on 06 October 2009 5:45pm
  • Why did the gentleman who needed to transport his son not call an ambulance? They do offer assistance in NON-emergency situations.... I also agree with Bonester why does the computer have any control over the alternator... Sounds like technology going too far

    Jaron of Brisbane Posted on 06 October 2009 5:32pm
  • Supply a crank handle please.

    Paul Mallia of penrith Posted on 06 October 2009 4:30pm
  • The bcm now regulates the alternator. We have seen lots of modules waking the low speed bus. Corrosion in connectors waking the bcm. When the bcm wakes everything on the low bus does too. Bout 6-8 amps. So it doesn't take long to go flat. Current draw asleep, (car locked for 15 mins) should be 8-20ma. holden specifies 20-60ma but from my experience i can get them all down to 8-20ma. Just keep unplugging modules, fuses, and seat switches etc until you see a drop.

    Jarred of Victoria Posted on 06 October 2009 4:09pm
  • in the 18months since we bought our VE the battery has gone flat twice. 1st time took it back to the dealer they recharged battery and checked it all Suggested that the car always be locked so the computer didn't drain the power What a pain locking a car while it is secure in the garage Went flat again recently RACQ came started it he also sugested turning everything off that drains power. What a pain it is especially when there is no warning..get in to go and nothing....Hope someone can fix it. Not real impressed fisrt Brand new car we've ever had and don't expect the battery to go flat after 2 months...

    JDE of Brisbane Posted on 06 October 2009 1:37pm
  • The battery in the boot is a backward step that posed a problem in the Minis. The abnormally-long cables required can lead to power losses in both directions. Computer-controlled cars are very prone to suffer from minor variations in voltage levels, so the battery being a long way from the engine doesn't help. In addition, the boot is an area that is well used, thus making the potential for battery terminal interference much higher than under the bonnet. Despite modern car manufacturers claims, current cars have no higher level of reliability than 50's cars, and in fact are so complex with computerisation and sensors, they are less reliable. In addition, there's no way you can do any "bush repairs" to get you going again, unlike 50's cars. Electrical gizmos are great in the lab and engineering depts, but bean counters insist on them being made as cheaply as possible - and install them with inadequate protection against corrosion, which is what happens, the instant you get anything wet. I'll stick with my old Holden that has no electronics, for sheer reliability, thanks ....

    Ron N of Perth, W.A. Posted on 06 October 2009 1:10pm
  • With Solftware controlling the engines and so forth with modern cars (vehicles), there will always big problems when the solftware crashes, after all the computers do this all the time. With 1950's vehicles they very rarely break down, but today vehicles always do as I have one where the computer chips stop working for some unkown reason.

    "Neville007" of "Down South Adelaide" Posted on 06 October 2009 12:57pm
  • Just had my 2 year old Calais in for repairs. 2 dead flat batteries in 2 months. So flat even the remote locking or boot release won't work. RACV tech told me they have done hundreds of these jump starts. Dealer told me he replaced the Bluetooth Module, a couple of wiring looms in the doors and upgraded the firmware to make things shut down a bit quicker. Guess I will know in the next month if they have fixed it or not. Just like in the article I have been looking at getting a recharge pack as well. The Dealer told me the battery only charges on demand not all the time like in older models.

    woollysdad of Victoria Posted on 06 October 2009 12:55pm
  • Just had my 2 year old Calais in for repairs. 2 dead flat batteries in 2 months. So flat even the remote locking or boot release won't work. RACV tech told me they have done hundreds of these jump starts. Dealer told me he replaced the Bluetooth Module, a couple of wiring looms in the doors and upgraded the firmware to make things shut down a bit quicker. Guess I will know in the next month if they have fixed it or not. Just like in the article I have been looking at getting a recharge pack as well. The Dealer told me the battery only charges on demand not all the time like in older models.

    woollysdad of Victoria Posted on 06 October 2009 11:53am
  • My VE did it on the weekend, I thought it was because the DVD player had been on to long,,trap for new palyers the DVD running in the back when the car is not,,ha

    LC2034 of Sydney Posted on 06 October 2009 11:44am
  • We too have had major dramas and have been stranded 4 times with our 2008 Calais V V8. Same B...S... from Holden who have varied in their excuses for the fault. We have bought only Holdens for the past 20 years for all company cars remaining loyal to the brand but sick of the reccuring problem . No more, you've done your dash guys we too are fed up.....

    jamie of Peth WA Posted on 06 October 2009 11:26am
  • Software problem with the alternator? Wouldn't have thought there would have been any computer control in it. Of course the whole idea of introducing the alternator so that it would charge when the engine was idling which a generator would not. I wonder if Holden have done something as low tech as putting an ammeter across the battery when the car is off to see what the current drain is then started isolating circuits?

    Bonester of Brisbane Posted on 29 September 2009 3:14pm
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