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Speeding fines a safety risk

  • By Paul Pottinger
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Time to police the roads, not use them for revenue raising

Tis the season to count the tolls - the death toll and the tolls exacted from road users rash enough to drive during the holiday period.

 Both are, as ever, sure to be unacceptably high. The reasons are not mysterious: our road infrastructure is inadequate at the quietist times; our driving standard is lamentable due to licensing requirements that could be achieved by a chimpanzee; enforcement increasingly takes the form of cash accruing cameras.

No roads minister or the RTA can explain how furtively taking a photo and sending a fine through the post curtails the act of dangerous driving, as opposed to profiting by it after the offence has been recorded.  The visible presence of the Highway Patrol is the best means of deterring speeding or mayhem in general.

On Boxing Day morning, I drove from inner Sydney along Parramatta Rd onto the western freeway and thence along the amusingly named “Great'' Western Highway to the far side of the Great Dividing Range, returning the following day by the same roads. I saw dozens of instances of illegal and unsafe motoring, not least that metropolitan speciality of driving beneath the speed limit in the overtaking lane. As a result there was much undercutting, but almost no indicating, and no shortage of grossly polluting bombs _ often with P-plates attached.

Following me west a few hours later, my wife and daughter were hugely lucky not to become collateral damage in a grotesque road rage incident. Their car was struck by a CD thrown from a sedan at a family’s SUV. The sedan swerved dangerously in front of the SUV on the busy freeway, forcing it to pull over. This she reported to Triple 0 after prolonged attempts to get through.

Yet in an aggregate trip of 300km at the busiest time of the year, made more fraught by rain and heavy fog (in which many motorists saw no need to use any lights), I saw all of two police vehicles, both on the return leg. One, an unmarked dark green Commodore, appeared to have snared a Corolla in the Lower Blue Mountains. On the freeway - in grim, grey weather remember - a marked unit was parked without illumination on the painted strip between a merging lane and the freeway proper.

The point is the Highway Patrol is at its most effective - which is to say deterring dangerous driving - when it can be seen. The most obnoxious boy racer backs right off when the HP are known to be about. Those who inadvertently drift over the limit - and the huge majority of speeding offences occur in the lowest range - tend not to. No, the police can't be everywhere. Yes, there needs to be more of them. But they can be in more places applying the brake of prevention. That would contribute to a lower road toll, even at the cost of State Government revenue.

Comments on this story

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  • If some people think that speeding fines are more about road safety than revenue then I have a few questions.

    Why do highway patrol cars sit half way down the entry ramps on freeways (NSW F3 at sparks Rd) and get vehicles from behind without ever been seen.

    Why do the new NSW mobile speed camera’s & most highway patrol cars sit and wait in the centre divide of a freeway at the bottom of a hill (NSW hume highway Mittagong, NSW hume highway Yellow Ck Rd Yass) when the radar/lidar user’s handbook CLEARLY states, this device is not to be placed where any vehicle is likely to inadvertently increase speed…....not revenue YEAH RIGHT !!!

    Jai of Western Sydney Posted on 10 February 2011 10:47am
  • I find if funny that (from the replies i read here) that most people can look on the internet and then, quoting all the facts and figures think they have all the right answers, failing to realise the 3 biggest untruths of the modern age, LIES, DAMN LIES and STATISTICS. but it seems that most of them failed english at school

    Jai of western Sydney Posted on 08 February 2011 12:39pm
  • Oh Michelle, what a pity you believe the propaganda. The road toll fluctuates from year to year for a wide variety of reasons. Perhaps the Qld road toll dipped for reasons completely unrelated to the introduction of mobile speed cameras - and I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head. Here’s a phrase for you - correlation does not equal causation.

    Governments are quick to take credit for any dip in the road toll, without investigating the underlying reasons. Conversely, if the road toll rises they never admit that the speed cameras haven’t worked.

    In other countries that have conducted research into the effectiveness of speed cameras they have found no link between the road toll and the use of speed cameras. The road toll moves up & down regardless of the use of speed cameras (and by the way if you look at the stats for Australia you see the same thing).

    People a whole lot smarter than I’m willing to bet you are think speed cameras have no impact on the road toll - but good on you for falling for the lies of the greedy state government.

    John Posted on 19 January 2011 12:17pm
  • I wonder how many of those people that complain and try and convince others that speeding fines are just revenue raisers have had their pic taken and had to fork out for a fine. I know when I was younger I could not afford a fine so made sure that I never got one. I also made sure that I never parked anywhere that would get me a fine. What I am saying is the fines have been a deterrent for me to such an extent that I now stick to the speed limit without thinking. I say hit the speeders, hit them even harder make them think twice about going too fast and save a life that these idiots would take in an effort to get where they are going 5 minutes sooner..

    Mark Zouroudis of Sydney Posted on 10 January 2011 11:11pm
  • I am so sick of the whinging by the “safe” speeding fraternity!
    Some facts
    1) Victoria has had mobile speed cameras fore several years has steadily improved their road toll as camera hours have been ramped up
    2) Queensland achieves a 25% reduction in its road toll in the first full year of mobile speed camera enforcement, achieving their lowest road toll on record
    3) NSW government shackles the speed camera program here, achieves an improved road toll from 2009 but this is still well above the record low result in 2008.
    The stats - NSW fatality rate per 100,000 population in 2010 was 5.8, Qld was 5.5 (bettering NSW’s rate for the first time that I can recall) and Victoria was 5.2.
    So the leading two States in Australia have decent mobile speed cameras !
    Just imagine if NSW had a proper camera program we would save at least 60 lives a year.
    So my award for inept road safety reporting goes to Paul Pottinger for continuing to run the line : speed cameras = revenue raising = upsetting “safe” drivers who think it is an Australian male right to speed a little bit !

    Michelle Smith of Mosman Posted on 09 January 2011 2:49pm
  • Craig of Central Qld - I agree with both of your posts. Your comments about reduced speeds and their impact on road congestion is something I have struggled to articulate - but you have done it for me. Unfortunately, the rule-makers and enforcers live in a world where unintended consequences are unknown, and so we will see speed limits reduced (as per the Newell Highway in NSW) with no thought given to the consequences. I wonder if they realise or even care that by reducing speed limits they are bringing forward the need to build more roads. They probably don’t care because they won’t build them anyway.

    John Posted on 06 January 2011 2:20pm
  • Not sure you guys get the message,
    Any road fatality should not be acceptable.
    However the total lake of police on the road except for hiding behind trees with radar cameras is not solving anything.

    I would like to ask how the highly trained police feel about being revenue raisers?

    Kelly Forrest of Brisbane Posted on 05 January 2011 10:36pm
  • Sorry, this article is like an itch I cannot scratch.

    For those of you who wonder why our traffic is so poor now, consider that a road is like a pipeline - it is restricted by the slowest section - not the fastest section.

    With all of the reductions in speed limits - we have increased congestion.  A road at 100km/h can carry 25% more traffic in a given time period than a road at 80km/h.  When you put a 50km/h or 40km/h section in the road, you make it a parking lot.  The traffic arriving at the slower section banks up because it arrives quicker than it can clear.

    Let go back to basic speed limits - 60, 80, 100 and 110km/h.  Having 40, 50, 60,70, 80, 90, 100 and 110 is just stupid.

    If we want to reduce congestion WITHOUT investment - increase NOT decrease speed limits.

    I like others have driven previously at speeds that would now get me locked up (WA used to have unrestricted sections of highway) and participate in motor sport.  Speed is not the issue, poor drivers and poor roads are.

    Craig of Central QLD Posted on 05 January 2011 5:06pm
  • How many people would get on a poorly maintained and operated plane flown by a person with no training or experience?  Why is it required to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars training a pilot - when any idiot can get a licence?

    Austria invested in training their drivers (built multiple $30M driver training centres and made it compulsory) and guess what - they halved their road toll.  We are told to slow down and fined excessively.

    I was trained to overtake as rapidly as possible to reduce the time spent on the wrong side of the road.  Basic risk management recommends separation as a control (not being in a 20 car nose to tail convoy).

    I agree totally with the comments above, here in QLD I drive over 1,100km per week and am amazed that people do 80km/h and then reach an overtaking lane and do 110km/h, then slow down, or block those that want to overtake.  There is no Keep Left Unless Overtaking being policed.  How many people drive with Fog lights on but are not fined.  The single focus on speed is stupid and the public is fed up with it.

    Why can’t we have adequate roads/freeways where you can do 150km/h.  Lets get serious - I have written to my politicans - have you?

    Craig of Central QLD Posted on 05 January 2011 4:58pm
  • Ex-Army Driving Instructor,taught by the best,Army School of Transport, Ingleburn
    I remember when 650 Aussie soldiers died for a cause way back before 1972 and the Australian public jumped up and down, to bring our ‘boys’ home.
    Today, 2011 approx. 38,000 Australians have died on our roads, for what cause?
    Nothing has changed in 38 yrs, why would any-one expect Govts. to implement driving courses or advance training when they are only interested in how much monies they can get from police robots, who don’t get sick, don’t go on stress leave,cost next to nothing to run and bring in millions, but when real police, nurses, doctors, firies, ambos and rescue ppl ask for a pay rise     oh, we can’t afford that but then turn around and grant themselves an extra $30,000 p.a then its time to protest.

    Not through these forums,get out on the street, hold up your placards, show the Govt. enoughs enough.

    50 Australians died over Xmas, ho hum, as long as it wasn’t me, who cares. Police were disgusted, ho hum, same-o same-o, wish they come up with something new, as quoted,

    Every road death is a tragedy, like last year and the year before and the years 35 before that

    SgtCarlMc of Taree Hinterland Posted on 05 January 2011 2:50pm
  • Speeding fines are meant to be a deterrent. The fine for exceeding the posted limit by 2-5kph is minimal and more often than not a driver doing that speed would be ignored. Conversely, exceeding the limit by 3-40kph means automatic loss of licence and a fine in the vicinity of $1800. Not quite what Peter Right is trying to tell us.
    Logic dictates that it just isn’t financially feasible to have tens of thousands of HWP cars on our roads patrolling as Peter suggests. It comes down to drivers being responsible for their own actions and driving responsibly and in accordance with road, traffic and weather conditions.

    Graham of Country NSW Posted on 05 January 2011 2:45pm
  • Yes here we go again more excuses for more speed cameras these cash registers will not stop one idiot from doing 30-40 k over the limit but what they do is fleece the average honest motorist who inadvertently does 2-5 k over the limit, these drivers are not the risk but they are the ones being targeted for the good of consolidated revenue and just for the record for the don’t speed don’t get caught brigade. I for one haven’t had a ticket for years but still don’t like what is going on .The only way to lower the road toll is to fix the roads, put the patrols back on the road and improve driver training but this wont happen because it wont raise funds just cost funds.

    peter right Posted on 05 January 2011 11:37am
  • The problem is not so much new drivers but those who already have a license. By sheer weight of numbers the majority of bad drivers are not young people but those of us who have had a license for 40 years and NEVER been retested. Stop blaming the young people for all of the road trauma. The majority of people killed on the road are over 30. Everyone should be tested for competence every 3 years. Advanced driver training is idealistic, the majority of people wouldn’t pass the test and any Government implementing this life saving measure would be voted out pronto.Maybe just check if people know how a roundabout works, how to merge, that the right hand lane is for overtaking only, when it gets dark or is raining turn on your lights, what the rear vision mirrors are for etc. etc.

    Homer Posted on 04 January 2011 1:07pm
  • Very true. Most pollies are more concerned in raking in revenues than actually tackling the problem. Advanced driver training and strict licensing should be their focus. Probationary drivers should have a mandatory advanced driver training. Speed doesn’t kill as long as you know how to control it. The quicker you get out of the roads the lesser your chances of being caught in an accident. Road fatalities are almost double last year compared to the previous year. How many more figures do they need before they realize that speed is not the only killer out there but stupid and arrogant drivers who doesn’t know a thing about road use and courtesy.

    vrx26 of melbourne Posted on 04 January 2011 4:16am
  • I know where all the police are!!! On new years day I drove up to Urunga near Coffs Harbour. By the time I got there I had driven past 8 highway patrol cars as well as the five speed cameras just before Coffs.  One of these was RBT the rest were radar mostly hidden in bushes and one dangerously parked on the right hand verge of divided carriageway just as the second lane had opened up only mm from the lane itself.

    John R of Central Coast Posted on 04 January 2011 12:28am
  • Agreed. What good is a speeding ticket in the mail 6 weeks after someone died in a crash?

    Michael W of Sydney Posted on 02 January 2011 12:12pm
  • I read the ring of truth in this story. As an ex driving instructor and ex advanced driving instructor I find the present avenues of road safety enforcement to be nothing than pander to those who believe the RTA spin.  I participate in motor sport in many levels and types. I am also a driver of 50+ years of experience and on the track drive at speeds that “kill”! Yet I am still alive.  In my late teens I drove cars from Sydney to Brisbane for resale at speeds that would now have me locked away for life. Was I lucky? Maybe, but I also attended race craft schools, and learned that speeding was really exceeding a speed that was dangerious at that time and the prevailing conditions. I was taught things like: 3 broken line markings of indications before moving, or the distance between 2 powerpoles, 2 second gaps to the car infront dry, double in the wet, (not half as seems to be the current attitude). 1st gear and slow in shopping centres, children escape parents. Beware 4 x 4’s, they are failed Volvo drivers! Pushbike riders believe they are indestructible and ALWAYS right and reinsert their brains at the end of a trip. But RTA spin will always win, not training.

    Peter of Brisbin of Brisbin Posted on 01 January 2011 1:23pm
  • Well said. Seems to me that all the RTA cares about is money, how fast you’re going and how slow they can make you go. The government, of course, only wants your money.

    The road infrastructure in NSW is appalling overall, but the only action we get from our shiny-bum useless pollies and the increasingly politicised RTA is more speed cameras. I have noticed just this year that the RTA has put up several of those crane structures used for point to point cameras but doesn’t seem to have any money for more urgent road repairs. Oh, and by the way, these roadside cranes are dangerous obstacles and when (not if) somebody crashes into one I hope the RTA is sued for contributory negligence.

    How can we make our politicians accountable? A change of government is imminent in NSW - will the new roads minister restore some sanity to the roads debate? Probably not - too much money at stake.

    John Posted on 31 December 2010 1:42pm
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