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Holden: icon or just con?

  • By Paul Pottinger
image The federal Government has committed $6.2 billion of your and my money to succouring local car makers.

Is Holden really an Australian icon? Or is it just a con?

A dying Sydney newspaper this week rather cleverly headlined their coverage of the GM humiliation as “Government Motors Holden”.

Not bad that. A flash of the old cleverness.

Except, of course, taxpayers forking out to subsidise the building of cars they themselves don’t want is not exactly news in this country.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - everyone’s cock-a-hoop that Holden’s remaining 6500 workers, its dealer network, and the thousands whose livelihoods are contingent on this brand, are not going to be out of work. For now at least …

The manufacture of cars badged Holden – whether it’s an essentially 20th century six cylinder sedan bought mainly by fleets or a re-badged Daewoo – means the marque remains as firmly clamped to the breast of subsidy as a newborn to its mummy.

The federal Government has committed $6.2 billion of your and my money to succouring local car makers. It’s paying Holden to build the globally-engineered, four-cylinder car (and already endlessly spruiked) Cruze here from next year.

So it had better be bloody good.

It had, in fact – given that Holden has lost $300 million in recent years – be better than the Mazda3.

That’s the benchmark for sub-$30K car quality. As the May sales figures showed yet again, it’s the car on which Australians spend their own money

Yes, the ever declining Commodore sold 3683 to the 3’s 3038 – but not one of the Mazda’s sales was to fleets, without which Holden’s scarcely overtaxed production lines would be barely ticking over. Nor can Holden continue to rely on the approximately 75 per cent of bung ’em at out a bargain price fleet orders - not given the haste with which they shed value.

So the only question is if Holden is to justify the continued injection of funds from people who really don’t want to buy them, is this: will the Cruze be good enough to trouble the Mazda3?

Because if it’s just another anodyne re-badge job – if it’s just another Barina, Viva or Epica – you can officially remove that “i” from icon.

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  • Wow, this guy has a hate for Holden lol.  All Australian car makers over the years have been handed large sums of money, If anyone’s the Villans it’s Mitsubishi, taking the money and legging it.

    Peter of Manly Posted on 09 June 2010 7:44pm
  • It’s true I dropped off to sleep midway through. Travelling back through time - ie: to your mental landscape, which seems circa 1950 - has that effect.

    Paul Pottinger of Sydney Posted on 30 July 2009 3:00pm
  • Just a correction of my last comment, I intended to write “without actually reading my comment” i the first line.

    Karl Sass Posted on 09 July 2009 1:57pm
  • Paul Pottinger, its almost like you replyed to me with actualy reading my comment!
    You’ve proved three things, you dont understand economics, cars and how to read peoples comments. My point still holds true; the government still makes more money from the automotive industry then it gives them. Australia has the equal lowest tariffs in the world(along with germany). This is precisley the reason we cant make competitive small cars!(we DID make small cars in the 80’s). I know the profits(Ha!) go to GM but do you suppose less money would go off shore if I borught a BMW? (mercedes actually have the highest profit to turn over ratio because too many badge snobs are too mesmerized by the badge to focus on reality).The fact that ADR figues are usually very rubbery is common knowledge, if you didnt know that then why are you on a car website?They are static tests, not real world)
    When you say “fleet” you mean business’ sales. My dad recently got a commodore but put it under his business name(as many small business’ do) meaning he wasnt a private buyer either(even though he was).
    Are you suggesting that fleets sales arent a genuine sale?Many business’ keep deciding that falcodores are the best car for their business. Australians get early production models of falcodores which usually have the most problems(just like germans get early build models of german cars that have problems)Every manufacturer test their cars in the home market first before exporting them to iron out any problems. Want proof? The pontiac G8(SS commodre) topped a consumer satisfaction survey in the US. Even the early build toyta hiaces had loads of problems.
    Of course Australia needs to/return to building smaller cars as well. The difference with the focus is that its just going to be assembled here from a kit, the majority of the jobs created in building cars are in the component suppliers(ford are trying to stay competetive because of the low tariffs).

    Karl Sass of melbourne Posted on 03 July 2009 4:32pm
  • Karl Sass “can’t believe how ignorant” we are. I can readily believe his ignorance, typical as it is of those who want to pretend that this is 1978.
    FACT: Those component manufacturers are also kept alive by benevolent taxpayers. Unless you advocate returning to 1990s tariffs (and we deplore protectionism in others), their prices cannot hope to be competitive with those of offshore parts makers.
    FACT: When those “Australian” carmakers make money – and Holden has lost $300 million in the past few years (remember?)– the profits go to Detroit.
    FACT: “ADR testing is flawed”. Oh, give me a break. Data, objectively compiled, doesn’t suit your world view, so you dismiss it out of hand.
    FACT: Ever fewer private buyers want Falcodores. Even with fleet giveaways, sales are declining monthly.
    FACT: Since the JD Power New-Vehicle Ownership Satisfaction survey commenced here two years ago (to the hostility of Holden and Ford), guess whose cars have ranked at or near the bottom? Go on ...
    To remain viable, the Australian car industry needs to a world class small-medium car. Will it be the Cruze, or perhaps Ford’s next Focus?
    I really, really, hope so.

    Paul Pottinger of Sydney Posted on 25 June 2009 10:34am
  • We downsized from a VTII SS to a Mazda 6 Diesel last year, whilst the Mazda 6 is a fantastic car and build quality is excellent we will be selling it when the lease is up for the simple reason that it’s just not big enough for a family of 5. With a baby seat and a booster seat the back is very cramped.

    We also owned a late 90’s 4 cyl Camry, after that experience I would NEVER own a 4 cyl large/mid size car again. Fuel economy is not my #1 concern when buying a car after owning the Camry, it was so underpowered for the size car it is that it was dangerous. In fact, at 110KMH our VTII 5.7L managed the same fuel economy that the 4cyl Camry did, difference being the Commodore didn’t need 1KM of clear road to actually overtake something.

    I think the Cruz will fail for Holden, the build quality of the Astra’s was very good, I doubt this cheap thing will match.

    Ross Myers Posted on 23 June 2009 12:56pm
  • I say con. Flogging crappy Daewoos that are as much fun to drive as a Toyota. Just with lesser quality. GM only started doing something to improve products when it was caught in the spotlights.. at least Ford bit the bullet and made the tough moves a couple of years ago. Take the Commodore away and what do Holden have?? Daewoo rubbish and the Colorado, one of the 10 least safe on sale in the Australia. On the other hand, take Falcon away from Ford and they still have the Focus, Mondeo, Fiesta…

    Matt of Newcastle Posted on 23 June 2009 12:42pm
  • Holden = Daewoo
    To :Brian Waters
    Most of holden cars are daewoos built in korea . Daewoo which went bankrupt and GM bought it to flog cheap daewoos that didnt sell here as daewoos, except now they want australians to buy it because it has a holden badge on it
    Viva, barina, epica, captiva, cruze ALL KOREAN BUILT DAEWOOS !
    Even Holdens commodore V6 is not on par with Toyota and Ford
    Fords 6 cylinder has more power, better fuel economy, more torque & better acceleration.
    Falcon has 5 speed auto in its base model and holden has a very old 4 speed.

    Holden is a big con and its no wonder its parent company is bankrupt !

    Nik of sydney Posted on 22 June 2009 12:15am
  • Feel sorry for Holden. I’m a big Holden/HSV fan. I still think they’re an icon. They suffer so much crap form everyone bout their range. With Cruze arrival & Commodore updates just around the corner, things will ease. Just axe Epica & import Astra plz. Without Astra, then they’ll be a lost of European in the range. Hope all goes well 4 Holden. Go HOLDEN!

    Byron Posted on 20 June 2009 12:10am
  • I cant beleive how ignorant the people commenting on here are!

    FACT: The Australian government makes more money from local car manufactures then it gives them.

    The 6500 Holden empolyees(let alone the other makers) all pay tax but also, for every 1 assembely worker on a production line, they are keeping 5 to 6 car part producers in a job(who also pay tax).The benefit to the australian economy is immeasurable because there’s also the truck driver that has to take parts from producer to assembely plant, the people that supply the materials to make those components and the list goes on and on…
    (about 75/80% of the componets in Australian cars are made in Australia)

    FACT: Aus’ second biggest export (after raw materials) is cars

    FACT: a smaller motor DOESNT neccasarly equal less fuel consumption. Most people who have owned a falcodore will tell you that they can easily achieve lower consumption then the sticker.  There’s little difference in REAL WORLD consumption compared to small cars
    (ADR testing is flawed)

    FACT: aus. car quality is about the same as any european company in the same $ bracket
    (Vauhall, Renault but not $300k mercs or bland toyotas)
    The ignorance is astonishing!

    Karl Sass of Melbourne Posted on 19 June 2009 7:02pm
  • As much as I feel for all our fellow Australians whose livelihoods depend on Holden…there is no way I will spend my hard earned on a manufacturer that gives us crap quality. Holden needs a serious wake up call to become competitive and not just sit on its fat arses expecting Australian loyalty to support it! Its not all about performance and large engined gas guzzlers. It downright embarassing that they can’t build a decent medium/small car and have to rip off someone else’s design.

    Charles of Sydney Posted on 18 June 2009 11:00pm
  • The problem with Holden is they do not focus on quality. I am sorry, but a Commodore or even Falcon is so dated that they cannot compete with European or indeed Japanese cars. Look at the current billion-dollar Commodore; sure, the HSVs look decent from outside, but the interior is ghastly. They still use that green display screen. Where did the billion dollars go to?

    Andrew of Melbourne, Australia Posted on 17 June 2009 4:03pm
  • “salesman of Canberra” - so a Holden salesman reckons Holdens are just great and he/she will be the first to buy a Cruze. Well hold the front page ...

    Hitch Posted on 17 June 2009 12:34pm
  • Brian Waters of Goulbourn: How exactly is susbsidising Recalladores to my “benifit” (sic)?

    Holden Caulfield Posted on 17 June 2009 12:32pm
  • There is no doubt that the global finacial crisis has hurt the motorings industry, and yes as a car salesman I am affected but to say that Holden is only operating by assistance from the goverment is false. Holden is getting help from the goverment to expand their range of vehicles and yes vehicles made in Australia( the only company in australia to expand). The cruze is fantastic and has more features as standard and to my option a better built vehicle than anything else in the price range, i should know i was the first person in Canberra to buy one! I know that the money will stay in this country ( ans yes i know the cruze is built in korea but only till our prodution lines come on line!)there is nothing wrong with having pride in Australia and helping keep jobs here, better than keeping someone in a job in japan. The Commdore has had a slide in sales but if i had a family of five with luggage and was going to on holdays to queensland or melbourne( because i had to cancel the trip over seas due to the finacial crisis) i would much ranther have a large family car than a small car. Yes the commodore figures have dropped but the if any bodys to blame it is the goverment, when they changed there vehicle policy so the departments can only buy 4 cylinder vehicle yes that has hurt the sales but if the fleet sales arn’t there who is buying the commodore? the private public thats who! I have never sold more large cars than i have the six months leading up to june!

    salesman of Canberra Posted on 16 June 2009 11:20am
  • I own Calais V-Series V8 Sportswagon and having owned BMW & Merc in the past it is far better quality than the 2 german cars that is for sure. It has more than enough leg room for the family . and nothing comes close to it for performance except a HSV . I had a ride in a mates Aurion last week and I sure am glad that I did not follow his lead , it sucked big time in performance and the build quality was boring. Keep up the good work Holden , you are building a world class car.

    Dale Butler of Blacktown Posted on 15 June 2009 12:12am
  • All you Jap car lovers should feel great when you buy their junk and support the Jap economy.
    I must state that over the last 40 years I have owned 8 Holdens and have never had a moments trouble with any of them.
    If you fussy whingers bought more Holdens you would be supporting the Australian economy and helping our great car manufacturer to builder a better car. So all you Australians get to it look after Australia and Holden.In the long run it will be to your benifit.

    Brian Waters of Goulburn Posted on 13 June 2009 3:48pm
  • Ford and Holden build the poorest quality cars in the market, their saved by motering jouralist, who dont tell the public the truth about the quality, Toyota can do it, so why not the other two.

    marc of me;b Posted on 13 June 2009 10:25am
  • The car companies that are not able to eveolve with time should let die off. Gas guzzling high powered cars in a country where 100km limits on freeways are a waste of everyone’s resources. Its good that average car buyers shifting from this “Holden” mania.

    Rohit of Melbourne Posted on 13 June 2009 9:26am
  • I’ll take a Mazda 3 SP25, thanks.

    Annie Posted on 11 June 2009 5:48pm
  • The government should at least get an equity stake in the business for all this largesse. We deserve some sort of a return for our taxes.

    Ben of Townsville Posted on 10 June 2009 11:14pm
  • wHEN THE SHIT WILL REALLY HIT THE FAN THE
    JAPANESE WILL RETREAT TO JAPAN THE GERMANS TO GERMANY THE YANKS TO GOOD OLE USA, ETC, FOR ALL OTHER OVERSEAS MANUFACTURERS. AND WHAT WILL WE HAVE IN AUSTRALIA IF NO MANUFACTURING CAPABILITY IS PRESENT..I’LL TELLYOU,  S.F.A.

    Ralph Deszcz Posted on 09 June 2009 9:19pm
  • A friend from Germany recently remarked to me that Opel cars made in Germany were of good quality and also made good profits.  Only problem was General Motors USA sucked back all the profits then expected the German Government to bail them out when the times got tough. I wonder if they will try that in Australia?

    Bill Harris of Gawler SA Posted on 09 June 2009 8:04pm
  • Supporting tax payer’s money with a car that won’t sell is ludicrous. Supporting the production of any other car make will still keep jobs. Build us a quality car.

    John MacIntosh of Sydney Posted on 08 June 2009 3:51pm
  • Thats bulls#@$t, the department of Transport here in QLD has mazda 3’s im sure of it… 2 of em and also what has the government committed ? can i get 50% discount on a car now because of this cause thats what some dealers are fobbing off here in Nth QLD, i must say the commodore range, from the omega to the sportswagon are very appealing, im not sure about hte cruze id rather another vehicle im sure

    jeremy of Townsville Posted on 08 June 2009 2:08pm
  • I tend to agree with why taxpayers have to prop up private companies just like we did in the past with Mitsubishi, which by the way deceived the fed and SA governments by eventually pulled out on manufacturing in Oz. But for the sake of our fellow Aussie workers I think Holden does need to be propped up because there are a lot of component manufacturers that also depend on it. The question is how far should taxpayers subsidise them. I had a Holden and a Ford once and the quality was so bad I’ll never buy them again.

    Paul of SA Posted on 08 June 2009 11:52am
  • Hey Bill, Should we prop up a company that is 60% owned by a foreign government (US Government Motors Holden)?

    Alan Watson of Sydeny Posted on 08 June 2009 10:14am
  • Rudd mightn’t know a thing about cars, but he’s happy to chuck money at car companies. Wonder how his luxury car tax is going, by the way.

    Jack Norman of Sydney Posted on 05 June 2009 6:33pm
  • will they give taxpayers a discount? why the hell should we prop up a private company.

    bill devlin of townsville Posted on 04 June 2009 9:56pm
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